"ESPN ranks all 32 NFL Rosters"

[DawgX]

Terrible list.

[Ozzy]

4 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

Why does the title say "Including Saints"...are they being relegated soon?

It was posted on Saints Wire, a Saints reporting website that is all about that football team, I just used that link because typically one would have to pay ESPN+ fees to get this list or read the article.  

[Forge]

7 hours ago, Ozzy said:

Are the 49ers a better deeper roster than the Texans, Lions or Packers.  Not so sure they are but depends on the health of the WRs and the defenders.  Lions have a better OL by far, Packers have a deeper DL, all three have arguably a better QB possibly.  The stars of the 49ers carry them though because none of those three teams has LBs like Warner and Greenlaw, none have a back like McCaffrey, and arguably none have a DE like Bosa and none have a star LT like Trent Williams.  But depth wise those other rosters have them potentially long term at certain spots.  

 

This is 100% accurate. 

There is no team in the league that has the number of stars the niners have. But when you get through those guys, and you start having injuries, you start to see the cracks on where that Trey Lance trade really hurts them. They are generally seen as #1 because the stars carry the day and you get more value out of that then roster players 25-40, but yeah, it can go south 

[Billy86]

On 6/30/2024 at 6:15 AM, EagleBlueDon said:

I know I'm an Eagles die hard and a Cowboys despiser, but to have the Cowboys not only higher, but 4 spots higher than the Eagles is comical.

Its the off season, when a few teams like the Cowboys, Jets and Bears become infinitely better than they typically are from September - January.

The Packers fans in me has learned to get a laugh out of it, though even as a Packers fan, that Vikings ranking is absurdly low. 

[Football_Bachelor08]

On 6/29/2024 at 7:17 PM, lavar703 said:

I just don't see how you can have the Vikings that low? These rankings are pretty wild. 

IDK, maybe they're not sold on a team being quarterbacked by McCarthy? 

[Football_Bachelor08]

On 6/30/2024 at 6:28 PM, Ozzy said:

Rams have made some rock solid moves, brought in Jonah Jackson who will be an improvement at OG, Blake Corum adds a ton to an already solid run game with Kyren.  Verse will help a ton and sure Hoecht will not start most likely long term but provides great depth in case of injury and will start early in the season possibly.  Kinchens should be a star at safety and a future starter and White should be a great improvement at CB if he can stay healthy.  

They are such a tough football team and lead by a HOF QB.  Nacua just beats guys up at WR and he was a rookie last year, no defenders wanted to deal with him and that YAC.

Their ranking seems to be based off the defense, who lost Donald to retirement as has to rely a lot on rookies and 2nd year players.

[Ozzy]

1 hour ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

IDK, maybe they're not sold on a team being quarterbacked by McCarthy? 

Yes that QB spot is a massive question mark for them, they better hope that Darnold can be a legit starter for at least a year, because if McCarthy gets in early he could struggle and lose confidence quickly.  Aaron Jones health is always a question as well and who knows if Turner can become a legit edge rusher that gets 10+ sacks a year.  Also can they get better CB play in the secondary.

 

Real interesting will be is a WR worth that kind of money because no highest paid WR has won a Super Bowl without a Hall of Fame QB.  

[lavar703]

6 hours ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

IDK, maybe they're not sold on a team being quarterbacked by McCarthy? 

While true, this is “roster” as a whole. What is the point in doing this exercise if you’re just going to take a team with a stout roster and drop them down because of QB? It’s one position vs 21 others. 

[Ozzy]

59 minutes ago, lavar703 said:

While true, this is “roster” as a whole. What is the point in doing this exercise if you’re just going to take a team with a stout roster and drop them down because of QB? It’s one position vs 21 others. 

True but that can really never be the case.  The top 15 in this group, outside of Cleveland all have really good or solid starting QB play.  The bottom teams on this list all have the most questions at that position or the most inexperience.  The only one on that list that does not fit that are the Chargers at #24 but clearly that was based on how bad they were last year but honestly they should be solid this year with the new staff and identity.  

 

If one does not have a solid QB you cannot win and it is beyond the most important position in football so it does matter more than other positions.  With the rules the way they are in terms of not being able to hit the QB and not being able to hit over the middle, it is slanted so the QB is the most important and is protected as such even in the rules.

[Thomas5737]

2 hours ago, Ozzy said:

True but that can really never be the case.  The top 15 in this group, outside of Cleveland all have really good or solid starting QB play.  The bottom teams on this list all have the most questions at that position or the most inexperience.  The only one on that list that does not fit that are the Chargers at #24 but clearly that was based on how bad they were last year but honestly they should be solid this year with the new staff and identity.  

 

If one does not have a solid QB you cannot win and it is beyond the most important position in football so it does matter more than other positions.  With the rules the way they are in terms of not being able to hit the QB and not being able to hit over the middle, it is slanted so the QB is the most important and is protected as such even in the rules.

And if they thought Watson could be a top 10 QB I think the Browns would make their top 5 pretty easily. So he is still dragging them down. It certainly gives all of the teams with "expected" poor QB play a chance to be big risers, in this ranking and in the real world if they get surprise results. Viking could make a big jump, Browns, etc...

[Football_Bachelor08]

15 hours ago, lavar703 said:

While true, this is “roster” as a whole. What is the point in doing this exercise if you’re just going to take a team with a stout roster and drop them down because of QB? It’s one position vs 21 others. 

The Giants have a talented defense and some good weapons on offense. A big reason they're so low in the ranking is because of quarterback.

So while it is one position of many, it's easily the most important. Especially in today's offense-happy league.

[iknowcool]

1 hour ago, Football_Bachelor08 said:

The Giants have a talented defense and some good weapons on offense. 

Do they?  They have one of the worst RB, WR, and TE rooms in the NFL.  Giants fans chime in if I'm wrong, but isn't the interior OL pretty bad too?  And the only one with even the potential (on paper) to change that during the season is the WR room, but its all just potential at this point.  

Edited July 7 by iknowcool

[Ozzy]

On 7/7/2024 at 9:36 AM, iknowcool said:

Do they?  They have one of the worst RB, WR, and TE rooms in the NFL.  Giants fans chime in if I'm wrong, but isn't the interior OL pretty bad too?  And the only one with even the potential (on paper) to change that during the season is the WR room, but its all just potential at this point.  

Singletary did almost have 1000 yards last year, sure he is not great but he is not awful either.  And Tyrone Tracy has a chance to be a very good pro with his versatility out of the backfield being a former WR.  

 

The interior OL was a big issue last year, now they brought over Eluemunor and Runyan at the guard spots so that should be improved and Schmitz will be better than what he was as a rookie I believe.  So that is improved, just can their tackles Thomas and Neal stay healthy or not and a ton of their problems last year was on the OL.

 

Nabers could be amazing at WR and he is super young, what 20 years old.  He could help them greatly.  TE with Bellinger sure is not amazing but Theo Johnson the rookie has a chance to be a very good pro.  And really last year Daniel Jones was hurt which is also a big reason why they were not great because what DeVito was the starting QB.

 

I would not  call them the worst roster in the NFL, no way especially with Thibodeaux and Burns as the edge rushers, arguably two of the best on any one roster in the NFL and they have Azeez Ojulari on the bench and Isaiah Simmons on the bench.  And in terms of DL Dexter Lawrence is one of the most dominating in the entire NFL.   The secondary is not awful either if some guys develop more like Flott and Banks and Nubin could be a great safety but we will see.  However yes QB does have to improve but things can get close, they are just one year off of winning in the 1st round on the road in the playoffs which was impressive, when healthy they are no way 32 worst roster, my guess is that goes to Carolina or maybe Washington/Denver and their lack of depth.  But really the worst team and the best team, there is not always a huge difference outside of a few players and usually the QB is one of those players typically.  

[Daniel]

Titans at 25 seems about right.  Not sure about a lot of the rest of the list.

Chiefs anywhere other than 1 feels wrong though.

[Ozzy]

On 7/9/2024 at 8:25 AM, Daniel said:

Titans at 25 seems about right.  Not sure about a lot of the rest of the list.

Chiefs anywhere other than 1 feels wrong though.

The Chiefs not being #1 overall makes sense.  Wanya Morris is not some All Pro LT, who knows what he will be at that position or if he is even the LT.  Who knows if Taylor will be improved compared to the struggles he had last year, what record number of penalties, the most by any player since 2015 so almost a decade ago.  The interior OL will save them no question like it usually does, last year they have Humphrey and Smith locked up.  That could be a massive issue next year as well assuming they lose one of them.

 

Also losing one of the best pure lock down cover corners in the NFL in Sneed is no small thing.  That dude was super underrated and underpaid the past few years on Kansas City.  Will Watson be able to instantly be that good, I doubt it, same with Joshua Williams.  Thus it puts more pressure on McDuffie and teams can go away from him when before they could not as easily.  Maybe Boye-Doe or Hadden can take that spot as well but again Sneed is legit and super elite especially last year and that is a big loss for them.

 

The WRs additions are rock solid and will help a great deal with Worthy and Brown, the LB core is rock solid even with the loss of Gay it is not a huge loss because they have Chenal.  

 

If Suamataia can quickly become an elite OT that will help them greatly and can Nourzad become an elite backup C or OG, especially at OG that will be huge also but those are question marks for them no doubt about it and that is why they are not #1.