Kiwibrown Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Assume Young is done. Never starts another game. Does he pass Russel? He has less wins and tds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 3 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Assume Young is done. Never starts another game. Does he pass Russel? He has less wins and tds. Way too early to say that, if anything Bryce Young considering his work habits and character, plus his ability to be a good teammate, he could hang around the NFL in a backup role for years potentially if he wanted to. So that alone would beat Russell's what 3 years in the NFL. Also JaMarcus Russell in his 2nd season in the NFL was sacked 31 times as a starter and 32 times the following year, Bryce Young last year was sacked 62 times alone and this year in two games has been sacked 6 times. Clearly Young has awful talent around him especially on the OL and really in the RB room, WR room is not very great either and that team does not have a system or an identity. Put Bryce Young on the Chiefs, he is a different player like you could say with many QBs. Granted he has disappointed no question but what he has to work with and what say CJ Stroud has, those are two totally different worlds, coaching staffs and organizations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Both have argument for that Russell,because of the money and nobody was more lazy that him Young,because of Stroud and also the trade by the panthers to have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Nah Russel legit was the problem (No work ethic, lazy etc.) Young is not the problem in Carolina, terrible coaching and a terrible offensive line, Frank Reich didn't want him and ownership did. To anyone saying "Young is clearly the problem" you are thrown into the worst situation possible, take 60 sacks year one, go out their and have 1-2 good games (2 4thQB Comebacks in their only wins last year) coach gets fired mid-season and you're just supposed to role with it. Year 1 is a wash. Year two, Carolina spends a ****ton of money on guards, cool, you get smacked in the mouth week 1 and don't focus on fixing your core issues week 2 (RUN THE GOD DAMN FOOTBALL) Week 2 you run the football and get away from it because it's a blowout and Bryce has to play hero ball. This is literally a coaching problem from day 1 and yeah of course young's not gonna play well if no one else on the panthers is ****ing play well or trying. The defense sure as **** ain't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Xmad said: Nah Russel legit was the problem (No work ethic, lazy etc.) Young is not the problem in Carolina, terrible coaching and a terrible offensive line, Frank Reich didn't want him and ownership did. To anyone saying "Young is clearly the problem" you are thrown into the worst situation possible, take 60 sacks year one, go out their and have 1-2 good games (2 4thQB Comebacks in their only wins last year) coach gets fired mid-season and you're just supposed to role with it. Year 1 is a wash. Year two, Carolina spends a ****ton of money on guards, cool, you get smacked in the mouth week 1 and don't focus on fixing your core issues week 2 (RUN THE GOD DAMN FOOTBALL) Week 2 you run the football and get away from it because it's a blowout and Bryce has to play hero ball. This is literally a coaching problem from day 1 and yeah of course young's not gonna play well if no one else on the panthers is ****ing play well or trying. The defense sure as **** ain't. It is odd how much money they paid Damien Lewis and Robert Hunt And their center Austin Corbett is not very good at all, not sure why they have so much faith in him or if they feel over paying for Hunter and Lewis makes up for the center being a weak position on the OL. Lewis gets around $13 million a year, and Hunt what $20 million a year with a crazy 5 year $100 contract, he is the 4thnd highest paid guard in the NFL. Never been on an All Pro team or a Pro Bowler, how in the world he is worth that much money I have no idea. Sure they thought protect Bryce Young but they are paying guys like Hunt as if he was some future Hall of Famer, he is not. Hunt is the 2nd highest paid RG in the NFL, Lewis is the 7th highest paid LG in the NFL. Absolutely nuts. And apparently Ekwonu is a bit of a bust at LT and not very good at all despite the potential and athletic ability he showed in college. PS Miles Sanders obviously kind of sucks and is way overpaid, I thought he was overrated on the Eagles and clearly he is because he is not no bell cow back for the Panthers at all. In that free agent class, Mike Onwenu is no question a better OG than Hunt and hell Onwenu can play the OT spot also and does pretty well at that so he is far more versatile, he is in that same contract range that Hunt got. Jonah Jackson I feel is a better guard than either Hunt or Lewis honestly and Allegretti is better than Lewis and more versatile and experienced in high level games. Sure it was not a great free agent OG class but the Panthers clearly overpaid. They could have got Lloyd Cushenberry or Tyler Biadasz and fill that center void and both were kind of cheap compared to what they paid Hunt. Edited September 16 by Ozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Nope, Russel was bad and just didn't want to play football, not to mention the ridiculous contract he got that might've been more of a hindrance than the picks that the Panthers gave up. Also Young will likely still get another chance with a new team where he'll probably do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Young may be unable to play in the NFL because of his size, which he has no control over Russell was just a huge turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 4 hours ago, Xmad said: Nah Russel legit was the problem (No work ethic, lazy etc.) Young is not the problem in Carolina, terrible coaching and a terrible offensive line, Frank Reich didn't want him and ownership did. To anyone saying "Young is clearly the problem" you are thrown into the worst situation possible, take 60 sacks year one, go out their and have 1-2 good games (2 4thQB Comebacks in their only wins last year) coach gets fired mid-season and you're just supposed to role with it. Year 1 is a wash. Year two, Carolina spends a ****ton of money on guards, cool, you get smacked in the mouth week 1 and don't focus on fixing your core issues week 2 (RUN THE GOD DAMN FOOTBALL) Week 2 you run the football and get away from it because it's a blowout and Bryce has to play hero ball. This is literally a coaching problem from day 1 and yeah of course young's not gonna play well if no one else on the panthers is ****ing play well or trying. The defense sure as **** ain't. I don't think it's quite that binary. Everything is "the problem" in Carolina. Young is a part of that. He hasn't shown any kind of flash of potential independent of his surrounding talent. He misses on everything. The Panthers also aren't good anywhere else and haven't done anything to help him. Through their first 18 games, sure, Young could be a bigger bust. I think it's probably about even, personally. Jamarcus was physically talented in a way that Bryce could never even sniff. He had great size, a great arm etc. Bryce should theoretically be better at processing and accuracy, but we haven't seen anything close to that yet. But as others have said, Bryce probably has a future in the league in some capacity while Jamarcus didn't want to play football at all and had a serious codeine habit/addiction. I fully expect Bryce to improve even if he isn't great, or even a starter. When the dust settles Jamarcus will be much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) Not even close. Several people had Stroud higher than Bryce, and his biggest criticism was "Look at other Ohio State QB's in the NFL". Jamarcus was the unanimous #1 QB. Bryce is probably my biggest personal scouting bust tho. Thought his body wouldn't hold up, but loved him as a thrower. Turns out he can't throw, but he can take a pounding despite his small stature. Edited September 17 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 He’s in the discussion for 2nd, maybe. No way Bryce beats the “we gave him blank tapes” level BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Russell and Leaf will always be the 2 biggest. You cannot get worse than "I simply do not want to get better". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 On 9/16/2024 at 7:18 PM, Xmad said: To anyone saying "Young is clearly the problem" you are thrown into the worst situation possible, take 60 sacks year one, go out their and have 1-2 good games (2 4thQB Comebacks in their only wins last year) coach gets fired mid-season and you're just supposed to role with it. Year 1 is a wash. Year two, Carolina spends a ****ton of money on guards, cool, you get smacked in the mouth week 1 and don't focus on fixing your core issues week 2 (RUN THE GOD DAMN FOOTBALL) Week 2 you run the football and get away from it because it's a blowout and Bryce has to play hero ball. I mean, we realize JaMarcus Russell played for the late 2000s Raiders right? Probably just as bad as the Panthers are right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 At what point do we hold Carolina responsible for drafting him, given his size? His size was a known known. You don’t really know how a QB will adjust to NFL speed or defenses, or if he can play in a pro system (if he didn’t in college) etc. but you can tell their size! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 10 hours ago, iknowcool said: I mean, we realize JaMarcus Russell played for the late 2000s Raiders right? Probably just as bad as the Panthers are right now. Meh JaMarcus was just a lazy scrub who never put it together, the year after Russel was cut the raiders went 8-8. Don't think talent was the problem so much as the coaching and his work ethic and lack of it. 3 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: At what point do we hold Carolina responsible for drafting him, given his size? His size was a known known. You don’t really know how a QB will adjust to NFL speed or defenses, or if he can play in a pro system (if he didn’t in college) etc. but you can tell their size! Russell Wilson had a hof esque career being 5'11 and drew brees is 6'0 (really 5'11 because he got measured in cleats) 1 inch in height does not make a difference in how good of a QB you can be. Kyler Murray fans.....listen we hear you. But you need to speak LOUDER we can't hear you from down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 48 minutes ago, Xmad said: Meh JaMarcus was just a lazy scrub who never put it together, the year after Russel was cut the raiders went 8-8. Don't think talent was the problem so much as the coaching and his work ethic and lack of it. Russell Wilson had a hof esque career being 5'11 and drew brees is 6'0 (really 5'11 because he got measured in cleats) 1 inch in height does not make a difference in how good of a QB you can be. Kyler Murray fans.....listen we hear you. But you need to speak LOUDER we can't hear you from down there. It’s not just about height. Wilson and Murray are thicc. Bryce looks like a stiff wind would sack him. When does he play in Soldier field? He’s effed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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