The BILLievers Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, iPwn said: And using DVOA to adjust for opponent because “getting to play the titans, colts, Texans twice each lol” means the Jags are actually bad, The Jaguars have the 8th overall DVOA, and the Bills the 21st. This has the Jaguars still with the #1 defense, paired with the #16 offense. The Bills sit 17th and 26th, respectively. If you use weighted, to show that the Bills were totally playing better football after they figured things out post-Dareus the Jags have the 10th rated DVOA, whereas the Bills actually have the 28th ranked weighted DVOA. Pythagorean wins say the Jaguars should have had the third most wins of any team this season, whereas the Bills should have finished 20th. Yet you guys are 10-6 and we're 9-7 lol. I can't keep up with you man and all your stats/posts but we'll see what happens Sunday. Bortles doesn't scare me and you got sweep I think by the Titans, who have a similar team to the Bills imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, iPwn said: That isn’t what you said though. If it can be argued that a team is top 3, there's an argument that can be made that they can be the best. EDIT: for example, Minnesota is a top 3 defense, some will say they are the best D in the NFL, some others wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, The BILLievers said: Yet you guys are 10-6 and we're 9-7 lol. Uhhh... 2 hours ago, The BILLievers said: Yeahhh that's why you shouldn't look at just box scores. Which one is it? All arguments are invalidated by the box score, or you shouldn’t look at just box scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: If it can be argued that a team is top 3, there's an argument that can be made that they can be the best. EDIT: for example, Minnesota is a top 3 defense, some will say they are the best D in the NFL, some others wont. This is invariably wrong. Just because something might be top 3, it doesn’t mean it might be the best. There’s certain situations where it’s clear there’s a level change. For instance, the Jaguars finished as the 3 seed in the AFC. Yet they don’t have a single argument that they’re better than the Patriots. No person can legitimately argue the Bills have a better secondary than the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: Yet you guys are 10-6 and we're 9-7 lol. I can't keep up with you man and all your stats/posts but we'll see what happens Sunday. Bortles doesn't scare me and you got sweep I think by the Titans, who have a similar team to the Bills imo. Did you even beat a good team this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: White's PFF 3rd ranked CB in the NFL, lead all rookies in PD and only let up (1) TD. Jalen Ramsey is their #2 rated CB. Bouye is their 5th rated CB. Combined, Bouye and Ramsey gave up 2 TDs. The average of our top 2 is what you think is impressive for just one guy to have. Gaines was rated 17th. Gipson rated higher than either of your safeties. The average rating for our starting CBs is 3.5. For Buffalo’s, it’s 10. For Safeties, both teams average 15.5. But then get to Nickel CBs... oh boy. Aaron Colvin ranks 57th. Your next best are Shareece Wright at 81st and Leonard Johnson at 85th. The Jaguars don’t play their #4 often enough that he qualified, but Jalen Myrick’s grade would have been 62nd had his snap count been high enough. So no - there isn’t an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said: Did you even beat a good team this season? Chiefs when they were playing terrible football. And the Falcons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, iPwn said: Chiefs when they were playing terrible football. And the Falcons. 1 good win. Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 54 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: Lol nice. It helps when you have 55 sacks (Jaguars) compared to 27 from the Bills. The Jaguars have double the sacks, Bills are 2nd to last in pressure so yeah I hope that would force the QB to make quicker/worse decisions. You guys have a much better overall D, I'm not disputing that. A good pass rush helps a secondary and the Bills have no pass rush. What they've done this year is very impressive so idc about your team D stats. I watch them every week - our DL and pass rush is not there, we have 1 or 2 decent LB's but the reason we have a winning record and aren't 6-10 is because of our secondary. They've sealed 3 or 4 games for us in the 4th quarter in tight games. Jordan Poyer, S : 95 tackles, 5 INTs, 1 TD, 13 PD, 1 FR, 2 TFL Micah Hyde, S : 82 tackles, 5 INTs, 13 PD, 2 TFL Tre White : 69 tackles, 4 INTs, 1 FF, 18 PD, 2 FR, 1 TD, 3 TFL. Is it really that laughable to say we have a top 3 secondary when you have (2) elite seasons from the safeties and (1) elite season from White???? White's PFF 3rd ranked CB in the NFL, lead all rookies in PD and only let up (1) TD. Rush and cover go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretgod99 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, iPwn said: Pythagorean wins say the Jaguars should have had the third most wins of any team this season, whereas the Bills should have finished 20th. So you’re saying you underachieved? It’s probably because your secondary is so bad. If you had the Bills’ secondary, you probably would’ve done better. What do you think, @EliteTexan80? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, fretgod99 said: So you’re saying you underachieved? It’s probably because your secondary is so bad. If you had the Bills’ secondary, you probably would’ve done better. What do you think, @EliteTexan80? Totes, gotta blame management. They need to suck less and manage more. If they didn't suck all of the time, they could have been getting all them sweet managements. Ruined. Just ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSabre Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said: 1 good win. Not bad. We lost to the Jets and Bengals.... ok, no excuses. Our other losses were Patriots twice, Panthers, Chargers and the Saints. What re you getting at? Why don't we all stop trying to prove our team is better and just let the game play out. The Jaguars should have no problem with the Bills whatsoever according to all the talk going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillSabre said: We lost to the Jets and Bengals.... ok, no excuses. Our other losses were Patriots twice, Panthers, Chargers and the Saints. What re you getting at? Why don't we all stop trying to prove our team is better and just let the game play out. The Jaguars should have no problem with the Bills whatsoever according to all the talk going on here. Literally no one is saying we should have no problem. You are bringing all this on yourself thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaline_Flux Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 If you go to egg someone's house, you probably shouldn't get upset if you end up getting yolk on yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretgod99 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, Adrenaline_Flux said: If you go to egg someone's house, you probably shouldn't get upset if you end up getting yolk on yourself. If you get yolk on yourself when egging someone’s house, you absolutely should get upset because you’re clearly terrible at throwing things and have no business egging someone’s house. That’d be like starting Nathan Peterman at qb then getting upset when he throws 5 picks. That dude sucks outloud, so what else would you expect? He’s terrible at throwing things. What jackass thought he had any business starting a pro football game? That’s just a general comment, not specific to anything else going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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