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[MacReady]

What I can see happening is exactly what happened with Favre when he went to Minnesota.

Aaron would play lights out, have literally the best year of his career (as Favre did in Minnesota), get all the way to the AFC Championship game in his first year, only for the exact same thing to happen to Rodgers. He gets knocked out of the postseason again. The Packers have a bad year, 5-6 wins.

The next year the Packers would make it to the playoffs, lose early in a heartbreaker.

Then three years from now, it all comes together, the Packers win the Super Bowl, and Rodgers retires.

[craig]

3 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

Is it that bad to trade him to NFC North ?

If you want him traded then you must think the picks and cap space are worth more than Rodgers. On that basis you must think its a bad deal for the other side. So maybe trading in the NFC North isn't such a bad thing.

Plus, whoever trades for Rodgers is better short term, maybe weaker long term. In that scenario we are probably not competing in 22 to hopefully be able to gear up for another run long term. So maybe having a rival strong around the time we are rebuilding (and weaker when we have reloaded) isn't a bad thing.

If you took sentiment out of it (which is impossible I guess) then trading him to NFC North might be the best move sporting wise. If you believe that the picks and cap space are more valuable than Rodgers.

agree, Mike.  The goal is for us to get better.  I'd rather get a better package within the division than a lesser package elsewhere.  And as you note, if a division rival is giving away long-term Buildican value for short-term Nowacrat gain, that benefits our Buildican chances within the division.  

I agree that they won't do it, in reality.  But I think that in the hypothetical, that it shouldn't be logically precluded.  

Edited February 3, 2022 by craig

[Green19]

23 hours ago, NFLGURU said:

I think Rodgers signs a team friendly deal and in exchange he's gets some input on offensive personnel.  He's not running the draft but similar to getting Cobb last year, he'll get some say with MLF and Gute on POSSIBLE FA acquisitions.  Is he going to get that anywhere else??  Maybe?

A "help us build around you" approach to Rodgers.  He gets a seat at the offense table for his final years and helps with the retooling.   Pitch that to him and see what he says.  

Why would he ever do this? He has never shown any interest at ever doing this… 

He will not do this at all. If he gets resign, it will be at market rate. And if it ends in playoff disappointment, people will still blame the team for not doing enough.

[CWood21]

11 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

Is it that bad to trade him to NFC North ?

Unless the package is significantly better then the rest, yes.  And I don't see Chicago being interested, and I'd venture a guess that Detroit probably isn't an option anyways.

[Norse65]

Rodgers will nix a trade to anywhere he doesn’t want to go.  No one is taking him on the remainder of his contract.  If he tells a team he won’t sign there’s no trade.  And he can also just retire at any time. To re-sign him or trade him, and get a good return, will require his cooperation. 

[Leader]

Packer Report - Grading the Pack - Year in review

MVP - Aaron Rodgers +21.05
Offensive Player of the Year (Non-QB) - Davante Adams +18.85
Defensive Player of the Year - Kenny Clark +11.70
Rookie of the Year - Eric Stokes +1.25
Most Improved Player - Preston Smith +7.40 improvement
Highest Graded Offensive Players:
Aaron Rodgers +21.05
Davante Adams +18.85
Aaron Jones +8.60
A.J. Dillon +5.70
Randall Cobb +4.75
Highest Graded Defensive Players:
Kenny Clark +11.70
Rashan Gary +6.20
Rasul Douglas +6.10
Adrian Amos +5.90
De’Vondre Campbell +5.70
Top Graded Players by Position:
Quarterback: Aaron Rodgers +21.05
Running Back: Aaron Jones +8.60
Wide Receiver: Davante Adams +18.65
Tight End: Marcedes Lewis +2.90
Offensive Line: Jon Runyan Jr. +3.65
Defensive Line: Kenny Clark +11.70
Edge: Rashan Gary +6.20
Linebacker: De’Vondre Campbell +5.70
Cornerback: Rasul Douglas +6.10
Safety: Adrian Amos +5.90
Lowest Graded Offensive Players:
Lucas Patrick -5.15
Royce Newman -4.95
Yosh Nijman -3.05
Billy Turner -2.45
Juwann Winfree -2.40
Lowest Graded Defensive Players:
Jonathan Garvin -6.15
Darnell Savage -4.15
Henry Black -3.75
Kingsley Keke -3.30
Chandon Sullivan -2.25
Highest Graded Individual Games (Offense):
Aaron Rodgers – Week 14: +3.30
Aaron Rodgers – Week 16: +3.10
Aaron Rodgers – Week 7: +2.95
Aaron Rodgers – Week 3: +2.75
Aaron Rodgers – Week 17: +2.70
Highest Graded Individual Games (Defense):
Jaire Alexander – Week 3: +2.45
Kenny Clark – Divisional Round: +2.05
Rashan Gary – Divisional Round: +1.85
Rasul Douglas – Week 14: +1.75
Rasul Douglas – Week 13: +1.60
Lowest Graded Individual Games (Offense):
Aaron Rodgers – Week 10: -2.65
Aaron Rodgers – Week 1: -2.50
Royce Newman – Week 9: -2.45
Aaron Rodgers – Divisional Round: -1.85
Jordan Love – Week 9 & Lucas Patrick – Week 10: -1.50
Lowest Graded Individual Games (Defense):
Darnell Savage – Week 15: -2.00
Kingsley Keke – Week 3: -1.80
Kingsley Keke – Week 2: -1.60
Eric Stokes – Week 11: -1.50
Eric Stokes – Week 4: -1.25
Highest Graded Offensive Players Per Snap (Minimum 200 Snaps):
Aaron Rodgers +0.0203
Davante Adams +0.0201
Aaron Jones +0.0139
Randall Cobb +0.0118
A.J. Dillon +0.0116
Highest Graded Defensive Players Per Snap (Minimum 200 Snaps):
Kenny Clark +0.0141
Jaire Alexander +0.0128
Rashan Gary +0.0086
Rasul Douglas +0.0083
De’Vondre Campbell +0.0055
Lowest Graded Offensive Players Per Snap (Minimum 200 snaps):
Lucas Patrick -0.0053
Yosh Nijman -0.0052
Royce Newman -0.0046
Josiah Deguara -0.0032
Billy Turner -0.0028
Lowest Graded Defensive Players Per Snap (Minimum 200 snaps):
Jonathan Garvin -0.0155
Henry Black -0.0133
Kingsley Keke -0.0084
Kevin King -0.0071
Tyler Lancaster -0.0053
Most Games Graded in the Positive:
Davante Adams: 17
Kenny Clark: 16
Aaron Jones: 15
A.J. Dillon: 15
Adrian Amos: 15
Most Games Graded in the Negative:
Jonathan Garvin: 14
Darnell Savage: 13
Chandon Sullivan: 11
Henry Black: 10
Lucas Patrick: 10
Most Improved Players 2020 to 2021 (Min 200 snaps both seasons, no injuries):
Preston Smith +7.40
Dean Lowry +4.85
Rashan Gary +2.95
Equanimeous St. Brown +2.45
Kevin King +2.30
Largest Regression 2020 to 2021 (Min 200 snaps both seasons, no injuries):
Aaron Rodgers -14.75
Darnell Savage -8.80
Lucas Patrick -8.30
Marcedes Lewis -4.95
Davante Adams -3.80
2021 Draft Class:
Eric Stokes: +1.25
Josh Myers: +0.10
Amari Rodgers: -0.45
Royce Newman: -4.95
T.J. Slaton: +0.25
Shemar Jean-Charles: -0.50
Cole Van Lanen: +0.00
Isaiah McDuffie: NA
Kylin Hill: -0.25
Total: -4.55
2021 Offseason Free Agent Class:
De’Vondre Campbell: +5.70
Dennis Kelly: +1.55
Kurt Benkert +0.00
Total: +7.25
2022 Unrestricted Free Agents:
Davante Adams: +18.85
Rasul Douglas: +6.10
De’Vondre Campbell: +5.70
Equanimeous St. Brown: +1.80
Marquez Valdes-Scantling: +1.60
Dennis Kelly: +1.55
Robert Tonyan: +0.60
Oren Burks: -0.35
Isaac Yiadom: -1.70
Tyler Lancaster: -1.85
Kevin King: -2.20
Chandon Sullivan: -2.25
Lucas Patrick: -5.15
Total: +22.70

[Arthur Penske]

21 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

What I can see happening is exactly what happened with Favre when he went to Minnesota.

Aaron would play lights out, have literally the best year of his career (as Favre did in Minnesota), get all the way to the AFC Championship game in his first year, only for the exact same thing to happen to Rodgers. He gets knocked out of the postseason again. The Packers have a bad year, 5-6 wins.

The next year the Packers would make it to the playoffs, lose early in a heartbreaker.

Then three years from now, it all comes together, the Packers win the Super Bowl, and Rodgers retires.

So we find another HOF out of this world QB?

[MacReady]

42 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

So we find another HOF out of this world QB?

Aaron Rodgers did not have an out of the world 2010 season.

You have no point.

[Arthur Penske]

MVS is cool. hope it can make sense.

 

 

 

[packfanfb]

What do you offer MVS? Wouldn't mind having him back for his role considering we have no one else like him, but he's also a just 26 rec guy who was injured a lot this year. It would have to be a pretty cheap deal...

[Green19]

3 minutes ago, packfanfb said:

What do you offer MVS? Wouldn't mind having him back for his role considering we have no one else like him, but he's also a just 26 rec guy who was injured a lot this year. It would have to be a pretty cheap deal...

What did JuJu get? I’d imagine he would be inline for that… and if he is interested in a multi year security they can add more money. But that would seem like a reasonable contract.

[MacReady]

@Leader, that grading list you provided, where is it from?

[packfanfb]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

@Leader, that grading list you provided, where is it from?

Andy Herman

[NFLGURU]

From the dreaded "Sources":

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NFL Talk

 

@NFL_Talk_Sports

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3h

 

The Packers and WR Davante Adams have remained in contact since the end of the season and are continuing to work towards reaching an agreement, per source.

Edited February 4, 2022 by NFLGURU

[MacReady]

17 minutes ago, packfanfb said:

Andy Herman

He any good? I mean it all seems to add up.