Leader Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Not. Pretty. Edited October 30, 2023 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Leader said: Not. Pretty. but DVOA says the offense is about average, so I'm good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Mazrimiv said: but DVOA says the offense is about average, so I'm good Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: but DVOA says the offense is about average, so I'm good Wouldn't average be bad in the first half, good in the 2nd half? Isn't that what we are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Wouldn't average be bad in the first half, good in the 2nd half? Isn't that what we are? I look at that list and I see incompetence. Sorry if that sounds harsh...it's not intended that way, but geeezzz thats a long list of nothing good happening. Nothing. My problem is there's too many reasons it could be happening - and/or - two many people to be pissed at. Definition: ****show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Wouldn't average be bad in the first half, good in the 2nd half? Isn't that what we are? It would be if the offense was as good in the 2nd half as it is bad in the first half. It isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, Mazrimiv said: It would be if the offense was as good in the 2nd half as it is bad in the first half. It isn't. I mean it was the best in the NFL in many categories, including points and EPA, two pretty huge ones, coming into today. Wicks probably needs to hang on to that TD to have kept us there, but we'll still be top 5 in both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: It would be if the offense was as good in the 2nd half as it is bad in the first half. It isn't. you're getting lost in the sauce a bit on this one you just need to admit you're wrong about how the offense had performed (like an average NFL offense) so far. You're literally just arguing at the mathematical results of every play and it's mind-numbing to me why people choose to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 No Packers QB has led the team to the playoffs in their first season as starter. I want Love to be the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, pf9 said: No Packers QB has led the team to the playoffs in their first season as starter. I want Love to be the first. I'm afraid that isn't going to happen. This Packers team looks like a five or six win team at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnypackerfan Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: I'm afraid that isn't going to happen. This Packers team looks like a five or six win team at best. I thought we were a 5 or 6 win team at the beginning of the year...now I'm leaning 4-5. The game against a beat up Rams team will decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 We've recovered from slow starts before as recently as 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: you're getting lost in the sauce a bit on this one you just need to admit you're wrong about how the offense had performed (like an average NFL offense) so far. You're literally just arguing at the mathematical results of every play and it's mind-numbing to me why people choose to do this. The whole game average discards a lot of context around quality though. Starting slow offensively is tough on a defense. Productivity in garbage time is to be expected. Averaging play from two different expected productivity distributions is inherently silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, HokieHigh said: The whole game average discards a lot of context around quality though. Starting slow offensively is tough on a defense. Productivity in garbage time is to be expected. Averaging play from two different expected productivity distributions is inherently silly DVOA accounts for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 hours ago, incognito_man said: DVOA accounts for that My understanding is that it makes an adjustment for that, but I dont know the validity or origin of the adjustment weights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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