turf toe Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 3 hours ago, PossibleCabbage said: I mean when looking at the "Packers haven't taken a first round WR" thing. It's elucidating to look back at drafts more than 3 years old to figure out which WR the Packers should have taken in the first round instead of the guy they picked, just with the benefit of hindsight. Here's 2020-2010. Like at this point it's obvious that you don't take Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr. instead of Jordan Love. There were no WRs taken between Gary and Savage, but I guess you could say they should have taken Deebo instead of Savage but not the two WRs who actually went in the first (Marquise Brown and N'Keal Harry). Obviously you don't take DJ Moore or Calvin Ridley instead of Jaire. The pick they should have made in 2017 was obviously Watt (who is melanin-deficient) instead of King. Michael Thomas was good and all, but he went one pick before the Packers 2nd round pick, and I don't think you'd rather have him than Clark. Damarious Randall didn't work out, but the WRs selected between him and Rollins were: Devin Smith, Dorial Green-Beckham, and Devin Funchess. Obviously you don't take Kelvin Benjamin, Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews, or Paul Richardson instead of HHCD because you got Davante at pick #53. I guess Hopkins instead of Datone would have been smart. Two WRs from 2012 made a pro bowl- Alshon Jeffrey who did not receive a 2nd contract from the Bears, and TY Hilton who was a 3rd round pick, so you could have taken him instead of Worthy. Sherrod didn't work out because of an injury but here are the WRs taken between Sherrod and Cobb: Titus Young, Torrey Smith, Greg Little. The Packers haven't exactly been proven incorrect in "not taking first round WRs" in this time. Every decision except Nuk/Datone was defensible. don't need to use a first on a receiver, what you shouldn't do is not take a more ready to play one ever for 7 years, or till Gute finally did something to get one in 2022, there is a thing called UFA, we spent most of the top 2 rounds on defense all those drafts, and the results are we are one of the worst each year to stop the run, and have problems against offenses with speed. another issue that shouldn't be over looked is that we had no one in the room that may have made it easier to persuade Tae to stay and take a little less, or to simply move on with more experienced talent already in place besides Lazard again when looking through the draft classes it does seem that there was limited talent to pick from, but other teams had the same situation and they where3 able to improve that position., just saying if they can do it we could have done that too, 7 years is a career in the NFL, far to long to let a position as important as WR stagnate like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, turf toe said: that is 7 years of mostly low floor receivers that tend to take a couple seasons of grooming up, my issue is none of those receivers kept a DC up nights to scheme to stop, Ted used the 2nd or 3rd round to take 5 very good receivers in a 7 year span, and both Nelson and Cobb where on a down hill slide in 2016, 017 and 018 exposed our weak receiver situation, fast forward to last year and the loss o f Adams and Lazard was the most experienced guy we had, he was our #1, Watson nearly passed him up missing 4 or 5 games as a rookie, a offense needs more fire power then that Apparently those DCs should have stayed up later trying to Stop Watson instead of taking the Ambien? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) The other thing that leads me to conclude that "The Packers took a white guy instead of a WR" is nonsense is that the Packers also likely would have taken Will Anderson Jr, Devon Witherspoon, Paris Johnson Jr., Tyree Wilson, Jalen Carter, and Darnell Wright before they took JSN. But the Packers misses on WR are more about "taking Kamal Martin instead of Donovan Peoples-Jones", or "Taking Sternberger instead of Terry McLaurin" or "Taking Josh Jackson instead of D.J. Chark". They regularly threw darts at the position during the Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb run and stopped which they probably should have. The national media just seems obsessed with "why won't the Packers take a first round WR" as though it matters what round those guys were taken in once they are in the NFL. Like if Jordy Nelson had been taken at #30 instead of the Packers trading back six spots and taking Jordy there (netting an extra 4th) would anything have been different? Edited May 10, 2023 by PossibleCabbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, PossibleCabbage said: The other thing that leads me to conclude that "The Packers took a white guy instead of a WR" is nonsense is that the Packers also likely would have taken Will Anderson Jr, Devon Witherspoon, Paris Johnson Jr., Tyree Wilson, Jalen Carter, and Darnell Wright before they took JSN. But the Packers misses on WR are more about "taking Kamal Martin instead of Donovan Peoples-Jones", or "Taking Sternberger instead of Terry McLaurin" or "Taking Josh Jackson instead of D.J. Chark". They regularly threw darts at the position during the Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb run and stopped which they probably should have. The national media just seems obsessed with "why won't the Packers take a first round WR" as though it matters what round those guys were taken in once they are in the NFL. Like if Jordy Nelson had been taken at #30 instead of the Packers trading back six spots and taking Jordy there (netting an extra 4th) would anything have been different? We also just took Christian Watson 34th last year, and were trying to trade with the Vikings into the first to get him, but they wanted to be able to use the 5th year option on Lewis Cine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 The very weird thing about the "no first round WRs" thing is that prior to the last draft it had actually been longer since the Seahawks took a WR in the first round than the Packers did (Koren Robinson in 2001 versus Javon Walker in 2002). But you didn't hear anything about the Seahawks breaking their 22 year streak of "no first round WRs" when they took JSN. You could say "oh, but we mean WR, TE, or RB" and ignoring how those latter two carry some of the lowest positional value of any position that gets taken in the first, it's not like Rashad Penny and Jerramy Stevens were great picks. Heck there have been 24 TEs taken in the first round since the year 2000 and the Packers took one of them (Bubba Franks in 2000.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 Glad to see Z get out of the NFC North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 I wonder how gruntled Z is currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Glad to see Z get out of the NFC North. Bwahaha. For a seemingly great culture guy… he is now bouncing around a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Glad to see Z get out of the NFC North. Why? He sucks. Surprised anyone would have traded for him. Cleveland talk about a disfunctional franchise. Maybe a conditional 7th all he's worth. Had he not restructured his contract he would have been cut. Played really well for first half of the season then was invisible. Back was probably acting up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Scoremore said: Why? He sucks. Surprised anyone would have traded for him. Cleveland talk about a disfunctional franchise. Maybe a conditional 7th all he's worth. Had he not restructured his contract he would have been cut. Played really well for first half of the season then was invisible. Back was probably acting up on him. Yea, 10 sacks is terrible... He was damn good in the opener against us. Trailed off late in the season but why wouldn't you want a pass rusher gone from a rival? Vikings got weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Yea, 10 sacks is terrible... He was damn good in the opener against us. Trailed off late in the season but why wouldn't you want a pass rusher gone from a rival? Vikings got weaker. As I said he played pretty well first half of the season then was invisible. Dude is washed IMO...It's his back. Surprised he even made it through the season to be honest. Addition by subtraction getting rid of Z does't make the Vikings weaker. Sorry Pack fan don't see him as any kinda threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Yea, 10 sacks is terrible... He was damn good in the opener against us. Trailed off late in the season but why wouldn't you want a pass rusher gone from a rival? Vikings got weaker. They are the weakest link. Goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10075901-nfl-rumors-zadarius-smith-traded-to-browns-from-vikings-restructures-contract Browns...ughhh. They are the worst run franchise in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted May 16, 2023 Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 The desert's heating up.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Do the Jets dangle their 2025 1st for Adams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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