Broncofan Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tyty said: Drew Bree's is 39. How much of a future is meredith going to have with him lol Well, by that contract, if CHI doesn't match... 2 years. I mean, if it's for fantasy purposes, 2 years is long enough lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Well, by that contract, if CHI doesn't match... 2 years. I mean, if it's for fantasy purposes, 2 years is long enough lol. Good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsooie5 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 37 minutes ago, Tyty said: Lol we are one year into the Mitch tru experience and you already wanna write him off? You took the bait Ty! It was the most painfully obvious (uneducated) attempt to ruffle feathers. It wasn’t even worth a response, which is why no one did until you took the hook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankWilliams Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I'd be shocked if they don't match. Thats cheaper than the contract they gave Markus Wheaton last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, FourThreeMafia said: Which tender did the Bears put on him? I may be wrong, but has any team actually signed another team's RFA when there was a draft pick involved recently? (yes, I know Lavernaeus Coles back in the day (*sigh*)) Like say the last four or five years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, pigsooie5 said: You took the bait Ty! It was the most painfully obvious (uneducated) attempt to ruffle feathers. It wasn’t even worth a response, which is why no one did until you took the hook! I am a major fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Broncofan said: They put the original round tender - which mean no compensation if they don't decide to match, as he's a UFA. This was a pretty obvious mistake, as the original round tender was 1.9M and the 2nd round tender was 2.9M. So they did this to save 1M when they were flush with cap space. If NO was really on the ball, they'd have put a no-tag part on the deal, so it's harder for CHI to decide where to go, as it's a 2-years-and-done deal barring a new extension. Because with Watkins (EDIT: ARob), Gabriel and Burton signed, it's now making CHI pay 9.6M/2 years for likely their 3rd option at best, and possibly their 4th or 5th. They can afford it, but now they have to decide whether it's worth it when they are likely not featuring him to a role that's worth the $. It's why I said before it was a mistake to go cheap to save 1M, especially on a team with such cap space to begin with. While using the original tender only saved them an extra 1m, this is the first offer that he has received after 2 weeks so it's not like he was a hot commodity and teams were lining up to sign him. They were banking on this idea and it worked out. Also, if Meredith is only the 3rd, 4th or 5th option.....who do you think the expected 2nd is? It seems that you're only basing things of off fantasy football here instead of the actual game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: While using the original tender cost them an extra 1m, this is the first offer that he has received after 2 weeks so it's not like he was a hot commodity and teams were lining up to sign him. They were banking on this idea and it worked out. Also, if Meredith is only the 3rd, 4th or 5th option.....who do you think the expected 2nd is? It seems that you're only basing things of off fantasy football here instead of the actual game. Actually he received multiple visits - and once he accepts an offer sheet, it's either that team who gets him, or the original team that matches - so it's not in his interests to sign an offer sheet until he's done the rounds, or gets a can't refuse offer. Plus, while the offer sheet is submitted, the offering team has to allocate that cap space until the offer is accepted/rejected. This is why RFA's generally don't get offer sheets until we're into the value tier (unless the team offering wants to put the retaining team in a cap crunch, which isn't the case here with CHI), it ties up $ the offering team would want to use on other guys if the other team matches 5 days later. So this is actually the time when you see RFA's get offer sheets, once all the visits are done, and the fact RFA's often wait before choosing (unless they get an insanely good offer) is because once they accept, it's one and done (it's down to those 2 teams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Actually he received multiple visits - and once he accepts an offer sheet, it's either that team who gets him, or the original team that matches - so it's not in his interests to sign an offer sheet until he's done the rounds, or gets a can't refuse offer. Plus, while the offer sheet is submitted, the offering team has to allocate that cap space until the offer is accepted/rejected. This is why RFA's generally don't get offer sheets until we're into the value tier, it ties up $ they would want to use on other guys if the other team matches 5 days later. So this is actually the time when you see RFA's get offer sheets, and the fact they wait before choosing is because once they accept, it's one and done (it's down to those 2 teams). Yes, visits but not offers. There's a difference between those two. This is the first offer that he has received. Again, teams are not lining up to sign him in large part of his injury history (edit: history is a strong word). The same reason that I'm not expecting much from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Yes, visits but not offers. There's a difference between those two. This is the first offer that he has received. Again, teams are not lining up to sign him in large part of his injury history (edit: history is a strong word). The same reason that I'm not expecting much from him. No, it's the first offer he's accepted - he only gets to accept one, then CHI matches, or lets him go. He went around shopping for the one he was willing to sign - once he signs one offer sheet, the Bears can match, or that team gets him. He had multiple visits, and the Saints made the best offer. Not the only offer. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/21/rfa-wideout-cameron-meredith-taking-more-visits/ - Meredith confirmed to make the rounds and shop for the best offer. Which since you only get to accept 1, and then the Bears decide to match or not - makes complete sense for the RFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 At any rate, if we lose him, i for one won't be that upset about it. Yes, Trubisky needs all the help he can get and we'e not exactly loaded at the WR position but I just have that feeling that he is going to be another Wilson. A player that has all the ability in the world but reaches his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Broncofan said: No, it's the first offer he's accepted - he only gets to accept one, then CHI matches, or lets him go. He went around shopping for the one he was willing to sign - once he signs one offer sheet, the Bears can match, or that team gets him. He had multiple visits, and the Saints made the best offer. Not the only offer. Again, visits do not mean that those teams made an offer and he decided to just declined them. He has been to Baltimore, Colts and (one other, can't think) and only the Ravens considered it but never official made an offer. The Saints are the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Pace gave much more to Burton, who has less play to back him up and Pace was the one who went after Meredith as an UFA. I don't see how he masses up the chance to get him for this cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Again, visits do not mean that those teams made an offer and he decided to just declined them. He has been to Baltimore, Colts and (one other, can't think) and only the Ravens considered it but never official made an offer. The Saints are the first team. A RFA can only sign 1 offer sheet - he can't go around and sign multiple offer sheets. Once he's signed an offer, it's binding, and the Bears are on the clock. That's why there is no offer sheet notice is given before - if the player isn't willing to take an offer, it's not official. It's in the RFA rules, clear as day - best reference is here - https://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/3/1/5459682/2014-nfl-free-agency-rules-regarding-restricted-free-agents. Quote a) Offer Sheets. When a Restricted Free Agent receives an offer to sign a Player Contract from any Club (the "New Club") other than the Prior Club, which offer the player desires to accept, he shall give to the Prior Club a completed certificate PFT already confirmed he was shopping for the best offer. Once he chooses the best offer, he signs it, and that's the offer sheet notice sent to the club. Whether there's 3, 4, 7 other offers made, he only can sign 1, and that has to get sent to the original club. But if he gets offers that he doesn't want, there are no notices. It's why RFA's in demand make the rounds and get visits - they only get 1 chance to accept (unless a team revokes it while the original team is deciding). Hope that clears this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Broncofan said: A RFA can only sign 1 offer sheet - he can't go around and sign multiple offer sheets. Once he's signed an offer, it's binding, and the Bears are on the clock. That's why there is no offer sheet notice is given before - if the player isn't willing to take an offer, it's not official. It's in the RFA rules, clear as day - best reference is here - https://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/3/1/5459682/2014-nfl-free-agency-rules-regarding-restricted-free-agents. PFT already confirmed he was shopping for the best offer. Once he chooses the best offer, he signs it, and that's the offer sheet notice sent to the club. Whether there's 3, 4, 7 other offers made, he only can sign 1, and that has to get sent to the original club. But if he gets offers that he doesn't want, there are no notices. Hope that clears this up. I understand the rules man. But you're not understanding my point here. No team had made him an offer for him to decline in the first place. These visits are basically a like a job interview. The player goes in and talks with staff and they continue to get a feel for one another and talk about how he is going to be utilized in their offense, the amount of snaps he is likely to receive, etc. and then they both decide on whether or not they are a good enough fit to start talking brass tax. If not, the player leaves and moves on and waits for another team that is interested. You're trying to say that each team that he has visited has made him an offer and he just waiting it out and that is not the case here. From all reports, this is the likely scenario for at least the Colts and with the Ravens it may still be up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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