BayRaider Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Totty said: So it looks like. Over the next two years in the first two rounds Bears #1 Raiders #1 Raiders#2 Bears #1 Raiders#1 Bears #2 Raiders #2 Plus a player. Who I imagine will be a starter. That's not too shabby. Consider the cap space left open also. I'm not mad. That's 8 potential positions addressed in the coming two years. 7 if you replace Mack. I feel as though they're counting on Key for that though. (Pass rush anyway) We got 3 picks from the Bears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Totty said: So it looks like. Over the next two years in the first two rounds Bears #1 Raiders #1 Raiders#2 Bears #1 Raiders#1 Bears #2 Raiders #2 Plus a player. Who I imagine will be a starter. That's not too shabby. Consider the cap space left open also. I'm not mad. That's 8 potential positions addressed in the coming two years. 7 if you replace Mack. I feel as though they're counting on Key for that though. (Pass rush anyway) Bears don’t have a 2nd rounder next year shipped to the pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Totty said: So it looks like. Over the next two years in the first two rounds Bears #1 Raiders #1 Raiders#2 Bears #1 Raiders#1 Bears #2 Raiders #2 Plus a player. Who I imagine will be a starter. That's not too shabby. Consider the cap space left open also. I'm not mad. That's 8 potential positions addressed in the coming two years. 7 if you replace Mack. I feel as though they're counting on Key for that though. (Pass rush anyway) Any pass rushers available in fa? im not convinced about the rookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, BayRaider said: We got 3 picks from the Bears? What I read was two firsts a second and a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, NCOUGHMAN said: Any pass rushers available in fa? im not convinced about the rookies Kony Ealy was one that came to mind for me. Not mind blowing. But serviceable within a rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Totty said: Kony Ealy was one that came to mind for me. Not mind blowing. But serviceable within a rotation. Get him ASAP imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, SimonGruber said: Bears don’t have a 2nd rounder next year shipped to the pats Yeah I read that too. I'm not sure which one they traded. It would be the othe years number two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I'm really hoping (with doubt) that the player is Roquan Smith. A lot of figureheads squarely said that's who the Raiders wanted in the draft. Maybe that is a sticking point in this deal? ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer026 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Such a sad day. Probably the best Raider I've ever watched and he didn't even finish his rookie deal. I am beyond pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer026 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 And I actually thought the Bears would be solid before they got Mack. So I don't even think we'll be getting a top 15 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 This is a business and it's a TEAM sport. With that being said...I'm NOT HAPPY!!! Mack and Carr were the two guys who changed the culture around here. They are the TWO WHO DESERVE to get PAID! Yes I've been willing to trade Mack because I understand the business side of it, but I DO think this will take us out of the playoff race this season. Players will be pissed and it WILL be in the back of their minds. Chucky WILL cut someone to make a point mid-season (probably Irvin) if he feels he's being betrayed. How to look at it... If we get 2 1sts and a 2nd + player then it's worth it. Even though I expect the picks are hit and miss and two 10 million FA's that we save cap on will make us better AS A TEAM. I'd rather trade with Cleveland and get DE Garrett and thier 1st next season. Either way we will have to pay to retain talent. So if the Bears offer isn't much better than an offer from us that gives more money in Vegas(taxes), then maybe this was a good tatic to see if Mack will give us a slight discount. Then if he resigns it's he wants us and we want him and throw in a no trade clause and all the LOVE is back in the air. BRILLIANT!!! Trading him is also doing right by him if we just kept his 5th year and then franchised him the next two seasons. Then he doesn't have security of a long-term deal in case of injury and we don't have the holdout distraction each season. There's a good chance Donald doesn't finish out his last two seasons of his contract, so I'd assume Mack's would be similarly structured. No matter what happens, I will ALWAYS be a fan of Kalil Mack for being a HUGE part of bringing respectability to the franchise again. We might lose some of that respectability by trading him, but if it happens then it's probably what's best for both sides. PS Just went to spotrac to look at what players I'd want on the Bears roster and Mack is already sitting there on their books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 What an absolute shambles, good franchises don’t let their best player go in the prime of their career. This has been badly handled from the start. I’m not even bothered by the compensation, we should have been doing everything we can to keep Mack. Just adds fuel to the national press that the Raiders are a dysfunctional franchise, hard not to argue with them now. Also to think we had to put up with people saying that trade talk was “click bait news” ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I do understand everyones disappointment here. At first I was stunned too, but the more I think about it.... I am a RAIDERS fan first and foremost. In Oakland or Vegas it matters not to me. I'll die that way. From a business perspective and team building perspective, and given the compensation this is the best possible outcome we could have hoped for. Now, before you haul off and question my fandom consider a few things. I LOVE watching Khalil Mack play in silver and black. I do. There is very little we can count on as Raider fans. One thing that we could look forward to on Sunday was 52 getting his no matter if we were up or down or in the hunt or not. Opposing QBs needed to know where he was at at all times. That is no longer. Signing Khalil Mack would have strapped us to the moon for the next 5 years. You don't win championships with a QB, DE, and scrubs. This is team building 101. From what I am reading its looking like 2 firsts a second and a player. Add in we don't have to pay 23 million a year to one guy, this is a win given it was never a certainty he'd resign with us after this hold-out anyway. The franchise tag would have just backed him into a corner and p'd him off. (See Lev Bell) Gruden was right... we had a horrible defense WITH Mack. If you take those picks and the available money and use it and spread it out over the rest of the team, we become better by subtraction. Or at least potentially. When you look a this move, it sucks. But football is a business. If we could win Superbowls with a DE and QB and nothing else, we're foolish. That isn't the case. FWIW Getting something for him in his prime is better than getting nothing once he is a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: We all knew it. So this is all on Gruden then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Dessie said: So this is all on Gruden then? In one of the forums someone said "Gruden is in year one of a ten year deal and knows he won't be fired" That is an excellent point. Right now I believe JG is running the show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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