ttitansfan4life Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, VY said: That doesn't honestly bother me as much as the run game. We need those front 3 to do better in that department. A complementary 3-4 DE/DT like him is not usually going to be rolling in sacks. But imagine at what he's being paid, we could find relatively similar production at a much lower cost. Yea I don’t expect a lot of sacks from that position but in this day in age, we need some kind of rush from the DL put on the field. I feel like we can get the same production from a 5th round rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Unless it's an obvious running down or a team that runs a lot, we haven't had a lot of a front 3 on defense. It's typically only 2 iDL, which is why one of them has to be strong against the run to play that 1 technique. I just think Johnson is just as good, if not better in that role and a lot cheaper. Jones certainly isn't the 6th best player on the roster, so he shouldn't be paid like it. I think we need an interior guy who is a pass rush specialist, but maybe can't play the run so he isn't such an investment, and then we can only use him on third down. Use Johnson on early downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei01 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 9 hours ago, TitanSS said: He's going to get paid. I like him at 20 mil a lot more than 28-30 mil. A guy like him that needs a lot of help can help make up for it by not getting a ridiculous salary and allowing us to pay more people to help him. If he ends up at 30 mil I think it ends up looking bad a few years after. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think he will demand a high cap figure or look to beat the record for the highest contract or anything. His production and his history of injuries wouldn't warrant that and he just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's looking to win the lottery. Anyway, even if it looks more like what Jimmy G got from the 49ers, at around 27M per year, you have to keep in mind that for now the salary cap is still trending upward. Even if we end up paying him more than we expect, it still wouldn't necessarily cripple us moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I know it probably won't matter since his agent will do the negotiating, but Marcus doesn’t strike me as the type of dude who’s going to demand a ridiculously expensive contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragevsuall17 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 9 hours ago, TitanSS said: I think he's worth closer to 18-20. Honest question here... But what do you base that under. There were only 6 starting QBs to start the season and not in a rookie contract that avarage under 20M... Tannehill, Bortles, Keenum, Dalton, Taylor, and Brady. Yes, Brady was the lowest paid non rookie contract starter in the NFL. He obviously the outlier and not the norm. So essentially, your saying he's between Keenum and Bortles. If that's what you honestly believe then I dont see an argument to resign him. More recent contracts, aka market value suggest much more. Cousins averages 28M, Garappolo 27M, Carr 25M, Smith 23.5. To me he falls in that range... Especially considering there's been another year, another increase to the cap. If we sign him longterm now he gets 5/125. That's just the market. If anything he sewns the kind to not fight for every greedy penny, and he may give us a loyalty discount... Maybe 23/year. But the important piece is going to be the guarantees and structure. All 4 of the those contracts I mentioned above had over 70M in total guarantees. But Carr and Garappolo contacts had outs after year 2 with under 50M in real guarantees. The other 2 contracts are 3 year types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 @ragevsuall17Wishful thinking and the mindset that all of those other underachieving QBs are overpaid lol. Dalton's average is even below that, but I don't know the circumstances behind his contract. I think I said somewhere (I don't remember if it was this thread) I would be happy if we signed him at ~23 mil, and I think 22-25 is what we can realistically expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei01 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 hours ago, TitanSS said: @ragevsuall17Wishful thinking and the mindset that all of those other underachieving QBs are overpaid lol. Dalton's average is even below that, but I don't know the circumstances behind his contract. I think I said somewhere (I don't remember if it was this thread) I would be happy if we signed him at ~23 mil, and I think 22-25 is what we can realistically expect. My guess for Dalton's contract would be that he didn't overextend with his demands and accepted a very team friendly deal. Mind you, this was signed back in 2014, caps and contracts have gone way up since then, but it was relatively low for a starter at the position even at that time, for sure. Especially for one that was so young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariota615TN Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 20 hours ago, TitanSS said: Speaking of DaQuan Jones, I could see him being cut. I think he's the 6th highest paid player on our roster in 2019. And yeah, I dunno how much he believes in him, but I think Mariota is paid. Just hope it's closer to 22 than 28, but if it's not we still have to pay him. QBs essentially have all the leverage where you have to pay them whatever they want, whether they're worth it or not. I think he's worth closer to 18-20. No way DaQuan is cut no matter how average he has been this year. He carries an 8.6 million dollar dead cap for next year and I don’t think Robinson is okay with eating that with a few contracts coming up. DaQuan was definitely overpaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariota615TN Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 17 hours ago, TitanSS said: I wouldn't be mad about that. 22.9 mill/yr would be totally fine with me! I think that price is worth seeing what he can do for at least a few more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariota615TN Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Does anyone see us keeping Dion Lewis at a price of 4.8 million next year? No way I could justify paying him that. He would only carry a dead cap of 1.6 million to release him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mariota615TN said: Does anyone see us keeping Dion Lewis at a price of 4.8 million next year? No way I could justify paying him that. He would only carry a dead cap of 1.6 million to release him Really? I don’t think that’s too bad of a number especially with the cap going up another ~10-12 million. He’s done well doing what we primarily brought him here to do imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariota615TN Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dtait93 said: Really? I don’t think that’s too bad of a number especially with the cap going up another ~10-12 million. He’s done well doing what we primarily brought him here to do imo Yeah I think he has done a decent job, although he has had way too many negative runs in my opinion. I just wish we would give Henry 18-20 touches a game and see what he can do for us. Dion takes away from that. I think having Dion in there really messes with Henry getting a groove in the game. Yes, Henry might carry the ball 15 carries for 50 yards, but then he’ll break a run for 60 yards and take over the game as we have seen multiple times over his career. Dion just can’t do that. If we keep Dion, then we should make him our full time kick returner and punt returner, and give him 6-8 touches a game and mostly on third downs — then I would be fine with keeping him and could justify his cap cost. Question, does anyone see JROB pursuing Leveon Bell? Edited December 14, 2018 by Mariota615TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Mariota615TN said: No way DaQuan is cut no matter how average he has been this year. He carries an 8.6 million dollar dead cap for next year and I don’t think Robinson is okay with eating that with a few contracts coming up. DaQuan was definitely overpaid You're right. I wasn't looking at the numbers when I said that, but we'd lose money by cutting him. 2020 is different and I could see him cut then when it saves us 7 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Mariota is 22-15 since his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2018/12/17/titans-marcus-mariota-block-giants/2332972002/ Quote It was the latest example of what Mariota means to this team and what winning means to Mariota – the latest example of why there’s no doubt inside the locker room that he’s the long-term guy, regardless of what the numbers or skeptics say. He was 12-for-20 for 88 yards in wind and steady rain, his best number being zero – as in zero turnovers. The statistics are not going to reflect the desired step forward in this first year in coordinator Matt LaFleur’s offense, but we also didn’t know Mariota was going to lose tight end Delanie Walker and wide receiver Rishard Matthews and get sacked 40 times. Nothing about his play has given legitimate ammunition to the idea of the Titans moving on from Mariota. Certainly, he has to keep improving. He needs more help, too. Maybe Henry’s late-season uprising will make this passing game more dangerous down the stretch. However this season ends up, it just logged another Mariota moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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