lancerman Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: They beat the Chargers badly, but they got them earlier in the year when the Chargers traditionally suck (until this year). The Colts could have defeated the Pats that year in the regular season, and they would have had a good chance against them in the AFC Title Game. Also, Marvin Harrison was part of the reason why they lost to SD. In that playoff game, they didn't throw to Harrison on their first drive, and they went down and scored to make it 7-0. Then, after a Kelvin Hayden INT, the Colts were moving it again until Peyton threw it to Marvin for the first time. He had the ball taken away. That was a huge play for SD. If the Colts would have went down and scored another TD, they may have made it a blowout. Harrison had several issues in playoff games. People want to blame Peyton for their choking, but Marvin Harrison and the special teams' failures seem to get ignored in Indy's 2000's playoff short-comings. This was 2007 well before the Chargers started having early season issues. 2006: Chargers started 6-2 2007: Chargers started 4-3 (consider two of their losses was New England with the league’s best record and Green Bay who finished 13-3) In 2008 they started 3-5. And in either instance they beat the Chargers in the playoffs while the Colts lost to them twice. Once in the regular season (later on) and once in the playoffs. Nobody ignores that Harrison had issues in the playoffs. But Peyton routinely had the best or 2nd best team in the AFC most of the 2000’s and the one time Peyton won he got carried by his defense in 2006. Peyton gets blamed because in key moments he had really bad showings. He had a chance to win the 07 regular season game against the Pats in the last drive and looked flustered and fumbled it. The Seattle game he looked like a deer in headlights the whole game and shel shocked. He had one terrible late game series against either the Steelers or Chargers once where he just went 4 and our with the game on the line where he just looked desperate. The dirty little secret is that Peyton ran a pretty simple offense with a bunch of disguised formations to cover the same 5-6 plays. His offense requires precise timing and route running and in the playoffs he played more physical defenses with refs who were more likely to hold their whistles. So they didn’t really have answers to them because their wasn’t enough variety to adjust the offense. It’s why a lot of his poor performances he looked flustered. Ideally he’d get the timing down and he able to be able to start burning a defense. When that didn’t happen you could tell he knew he was screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Classic said: You should be asking why didn't the 2009 Colts win the Super Bowl. Started out 14-0 and chicken out from chasing history and going undefeated to sit out the final 2 games. SMH never been more upset at the Colts. The 2009 team was never that good. They were closer to an 11-5 team that got bailed out by Peyton's late game heroics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, lancerman said: 2007: Chargers started 4-3 (consider two of their losses was New England with the league’s best record and Green Bay who finished 13-3) That was after they started 1-3 (including a loss to a 4-12 KC team) 1 hour ago, lancerman said: Nobody ignores that Harrison had issues in the playoffs. But Peyton routinely had the best or 2nd best team in the AFC most of the 2000’s and the one time Peyton won he got carried by his defense in 2006. Peyton gets blamed because in key moments he had really bad showings. He had a chance to win the 07 regular season game against the Pats in the last drive and looked flustered and fumbled it. The Seattle game he looked like a deer in headlights the whole game and shel shocked. He had one terrible late game series against either the Steelers or Chargers once where he just went 4 and our with the game on the line where he just looked desperate. The dirty little secret is that Peyton ran a pretty simple offense with a bunch of disguised formations to cover the same 5-6 plays. His offense requires precise timing and route running and in the playoffs he played more physical defenses with refs who were more likely to hold their whistles. So they didn’t really have answers to them because their wasn’t enough variety to adjust the offense. It’s why a lot of his poor performances he looked flustered. Ideally he’d get the timing down and he able to be able to start burning a defense. When that didn’t happen you could tell he knew he was screwed They (the Colts) also used the running game more in the 2006 playoffs. They didn't rely on that as much in other years. Also, as far as the Manning offense goes, that's an interesting take. Also, it seemed that 3-4 defenses (SD, NE, Pitt) gave them the most trouble in those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, lancerman said: This was 2007 well before the Chargers started having early season issues. 2006: Chargers started 6-2 2007: Chargers started 4-3 (consider two of their losses was New England with the league’s best record and Green Bay who finished 13-3) In 2008 they started 3-5. And in either instance they beat the Chargers in the playoffs while the Colts lost to them twice. Once in the regular season (later on) and once in the playoffs. Nobody ignores that Harrison had issues in the playoffs. But Peyton routinely had the best or 2nd best team in the AFC most of the 2000’s and the one time Peyton won he got carried by his defense in 2006. Peyton gets blamed because in key moments he had really bad showings. He had a chance to win the 07 regular season game against the Pats in the last drive and looked flustered and fumbled it. The Seattle game he looked like a deer in headlights the whole game and shel shocked. He had one terrible late game series against either the Steelers or Chargers once where he just went 4 and our with the game on the line where he just looked desperate. The dirty little secret is that Peyton ran a pretty simple offense with a bunch of disguised formations to cover the same 5-6 plays. His offense requires precise timing and route running and in the playoffs he played more physical defenses with refs who were more likely to hold their whistles. So they didn’t really have answers to them because their wasn’t enough variety to adjust the offense. It’s why a lot of his poor performances he looked flustered. Ideally he’d get the timing down and he able to be able to start burning a defense. When that didn’t happen you could tell he knew he was screwed Complete pea-heart, when it came down to it. Awesome QB when the pressure is off. I'd also add that it is my believe people inflate him due to his demeanour and directing at the LOS - but that it was overblown. He admitted a lot of it was fillers and bluffs. I'd take Brees over him, truthfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich homie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Because the Patriots went 16-0 that year. The Colts also were only a few bounces away from 16-0 themselves that year, but towards the end they started to get beat up with injuries. Even though they won most of their games they started to limp noticeably that year toward the end, culminating in a loss to Billy Volek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Speaking of Colts teams that disappointed vs expectations, the 2008 team takes the cake for me. Coming off a 13-3 season and no Brady, they were probably the favorites in the AFC. They started 3-4 but finished 12-4. Their defense actually out-performed the offense (7th in points allowed and 11th in yards allowed, both better than their offense - Rivers should have won MVP). AFC was stacked defensively that year (Steelers, Ravens, Titans), but the Ravens were starting rookie Flacco and Titans had Collins, who predictably imploded in the playoffs. It was a great opportunity for the Colts to win another title. And yet they couldn't even make it out the wild-card round. They lost to an 8-8 Chargers team (I remember this led to a lot of people begging for the NFL to change the playoff format because the Patriots were left out despite going 11-5) even though their defense only gave up 17 in regulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Austin Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 So, if the Manning bowl did happen. Who wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Peyton Manning was poor in the playoffs. That's just a fact. He had an 87.5 rating in the playoffs. Averaged almost an interception a game, and less than 1.5 touchdowns per game. He won only three games in which his defense allowed more than 20 points. Only three. And those under 21 games from his opponents weren't exactly rare. Peyton Manning's defense allowed under 22 points 15 times in Manning's postseason career. That's over half of Manning's playoff games where he couldn't score 23 points to win. 23 is the average for points scored in a game. Opponents in Manning's 27 playoff games AVERAGED 21.4 points per game. This notion that Manning never had a defense is false. Peyton Manning has the NFL record for most one and done postseason appearances. 9 times he lost his first playoff game. In his one and done games, he averaged 17.3 points. In his one and done games, his defense allowed an average of 22. There was no insurmountable deficits Manning faced. In that 2007 game in question, Manning threw two interceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, iknowcool said: Speaking of Colts teams that disappointed vs expectations, the 2008 team takes the cake for me. Coming off a 13-3 season and no Brady, they were probably the favorites in the AFC. They started 3-4 but finished 12-4. Their defense actually out-performed the offense (7th in points allowed and 11th in yards allowed, both better than their offense - Rivers should have won MVP). AFC was stacked defensively that year (Steelers, Ravens, Titans), but the Ravens were starting rookie Flacco and Titans had Collins, who predictably imploded in the playoffs. It was a great opportunity for the Colts to win another title. And yet they couldn't even make it out the wild-card round. They lost to an 8-8 Chargers team (I remember this led to a lot of people begging for the NFL to change the playoff format because the Patriots were left out despite going 11-5) even though their defense only gave up 17 in regulation. Was this another Manning implosion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich homie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: Was this another Manning implosion? The game Darren Sproles broke the postseason record for all purpose yards in one game. The same one where Manning threw for 310 yards and a TD with no picks from an average starting position of his own 15 yard line, when the run game managed a whopping 64 yards total on 22 carries, and the Colts lost without Manning touching the ball in overtime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, rich homie said: The game Darren Sproles broke the postseason record for all purpose yards in one game. The same one where Manning threw for 310 yards and a TD with no picks from an average starting position of his own 15 yard line, when the run game managed a whopping 64 yards total on 22 carries, and the Colts lost without Manning touching the ball in overtime? You sound on edge. You'll notice that I was merely asking a question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich homie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Hunter2_1 said: You sound on edge. You'll notice that I was merely asking a question? Sorry I was trying to emphasize just how ridiculous the question was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, iknowcool said: Speaking of Colts teams that disappointed vs expectations, the 2008 team takes the cake for me. Coming off a 13-3 season and no Brady, they were probably the favorites in the AFC. They started 3-4 but finished 12-4. Their defense actually out-performed the offense (7th in points allowed and 11th in yards allowed, both better than their offense - Rivers should have won MVP). AFC was stacked defensively that year (Steelers, Ravens, Titans), but the Ravens were starting rookie Flacco and Titans had Collins, who predictably imploded in the playoffs. It was a great opportunity for the Colts to win another title. And yet they couldn't even make it out the wild-card round. They lost to an 8-8 Chargers team (I remember this led to a lot of people begging for the NFL to change the playoff format because the Patriots were left out despite going 11-5) even though their defense only gave up 17 in regulation. The 2005 team is a bigger disappointment IMO. That was the best overall Manning era Colts team and they blew a golden opportunity with the Pats in decline and the Chargers missing the playoffs. The 2005 Steelers were a much better team then their numbers suggested, but the Colts still should have beaten them and they would have faced a Denver team that Peyton historically owned in the AFC championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, rich homie said: Sorry I was trying to emphasize just how ridiculous the question was. Sorry that I don't recall the details of a game that didn't include my team from 10 years ago. How ridiculous of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich homie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Hunter2_1 said: Sorry that I don't recall the details of a game that didn't include my team from 10 years ago. How ridiculous of me. Probably best not to make assumptions when you can admit you don't really know what you're talking about then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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