MookieMonstah Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I will say though, if Cherington had Cora as his manager we've got a much better shot at a WS. Farrell was the absolute worst. Cora seemingly couldn't make a wrong decision this post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Both GMs had a huge impact but Dombrowski was the guy who finished it off. Price, Sale, JD, Pearce, Eovaldi, Moreland, Braiser were all absolutely huge in the post season. I said it when detractors were trying to bash Dombrowski because he just goes everywhere and dismantles the farm systems, the dude ALWAYS wins deals. 95% of the trades hes done, go back and look at where those "top prospects" are now. The dude is an incredible judge of talent. Off the top of my head: Travis Shaw, Mauricio Dubon, Josh Pennington for Tyler Thornburg Drew Pomeranz for Anderson Espinoza (Yeah he's been bad, but he was a top 20 prospect and they flipped him for a guy who's bad. Lose-lose deal tbh.) Carson Smith for whoever they got back. (EDIT: Ironically enough I loved this deal for the Red Sox.) I think he was still the GM in Detroit when the Rangers stole Corey Knebel too (gracias DD). It's a pretty damn good track record, but that doesn't mean the criticism that he blows up farm systems isn't real. He had a pretty similar track record in Detroit, and the Tigers are in worse shape than just about any organization in baseball today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Off the top of my head: Travis Shaw, Mauricio Dubon, Josh Pennington for Tyler Thornburg Drew Pomeranz for Anderson Espinoza (Yeah he's been bad, but he was a top 20 prospect and they flipped him for a guy who's bad. Lose-lose deal tbh.) Carson Smith for whoever they got back. I think he was still the GM in Detroit when the Rangers stole Corey Knebel too (gracias DD). It's a pretty damn good track record, but that doesn't mean the criticism that he blows up farm systems isn't real. He had a pretty similar track record in Detroit, and the Tigers are in worse shape than just about any organization in baseball today. To be fair. None of those guys move the needle. Travis Shaw is still who he was in Boston, and it was definitely a bad move by DD but we had Devers coming up and needed to open the spot up regardless. Shaw still a dude who should be in a platoon and I also don't think ANYONE saw 30 HR power in Shaw. That was random as hell, his ISO spiked big in Milwaukee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ForTheThumb Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Both GMs had a huge impact but Dombrowski was the guy who finished it off. Price, Sale, JD, Pearce, Eovaldi, Moreland, Braiser were all absolutely huge in the post season. I said it when detractors were trying to bash Dombrowski because he just goes everywhere and dismantles the farm systems, the dude ALWAYS wins deals. 95% of the trades hes done, go back and look at where those "top prospects" are now. The dude is an incredible judge of talent. Way, way too early to claim these deals are over. Worked out for the Red Sox, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, 1ForTheThumb said: Way, way too early to claim these deals are over. Worked out for the Red Sox, no doubt. Speaking back to his Detroit days as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: To be fair. None of those guys move the needle. Travis Shaw is still who he was in Boston, and it was definitely a bad move by DD but we had Devers coming up and needed to open the spot up regardless. Shaw still a dude who should be in a platoon and I also don't think ANYONE saw 30 HR power in Shaw. That was random as hell, his ISO spiked big in Milwaukee. The Brewers did. When we acquired him and Thames right around the same time Stearns said that Shaw was the guy who had the real power between the two, which was odd at the time but proven right down the line. Back to the point, there's a real criticism that DD blows your farm system up. He does. If you are a big market market team, and you have ammo for him to spend, there's no one with his track record of spending it as well. But that does mean you'll have to rebuild in 3-5 years when he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: The Brewers did. When we acquired him and Thames right around the same time Stearns said that Shaw was the guy who had the real power between the two, which was odd at the time but proven right down the line. Back to the point, there's a real criticism that DD blows your farm system up. He does. If you are a big market market team, and you have ammo for him to spend, there's no one with his track record of spending it as well. But that does mean you'll have to rebuild in 3-5 years when he's done. Oh definitely. Luckily we've got a young enough core that we should be okay for a while. He did a good job keeping the right prospects, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Congrats to the Red Sox on the World Series win. Shaw would look nice in a Red Sox uniform though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: flags fly forever THANK GOD THEY ARENT FLYING IN LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ForTheThumb Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Off the top of my head: Travis Shaw, Mauricio Dubon, Josh Pennington for Tyler Thornburg Drew Pomeranz for Anderson Espinoza (Yeah he's been bad, but he was a top 20 prospect and they flipped him for a guy who's bad. Lose-lose deal tbh.) Carson Smith for whoever they got back. (EDIT: Ironically enough I loved this deal for the Red Sox.) I think he was still the GM in Detroit when the Rangers stole Corey Knebel too (gracias DD). It's a pretty damn good track record, but that doesn't mean the criticism that he blows up farm systems isn't real. He had a pretty similar track record in Detroit, and the Tigers are in worse shape than just about any organization in baseball today. Smith was 1 for 1 with Wade Miley, IIRC. I'll still do that deal 10/10 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, 1ForTheThumb said: Smith was 1 for 1 with Wade Miley, IIRC. I'll still do that deal 10/10 times. Small world man. Got any other scraps? Maybe next year we can turn Brock Holt into an 8 WAR juggernaut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Small world man. Got any other scraps? Maybe next year we can turn Brock Holt into an 8 WAR juggernaut. I mean Wade had some insane luck this year. Dude is poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: I mean Wade had some insane luck this year. Dude is poop. 2nd best average exit velocity against for FB/LD. Dude's home run suppression was at least in part because of weak contact. Definitely some luck since the hard contact against him was on the ground, though. Would guess he's a 3.7 ERA guy or so moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: To be fair. None of those guys move the needle. Travis Shaw is still who he was in Boston, and it was definitely a bad move by DD but we had Devers coming up and needed to open the spot up regardless. Shaw still a dude who should be in a platoon and I also don't think ANYONE saw 30 HR power in Shaw. That was random as hell, his ISO spiked big in Milwaukee. You kinda contradicted yourself there. Shaw averaged a homer every 17.4 at bats as a rookie, so it's not at all inconceivable to have projected him as a 30HR guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 44 minutes ago, Starless said: You kinda contradicted yourself there. Shaw averaged a homer every 17.4 at bats as a rookie, so it's not at all inconceivable to have projected him as a 30HR guy. Yeah I definitely did. 100% tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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