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I submit that Kyler Fackrell on third down passing situations isn't being asked to do what Perry and Matthews are being asked to do on 1st and second downs, but I am the crazy one here these days, so what do I know? 

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Third down specialist Bruce Irvin never had more than 8 sacks during his rookie deal, and his 2nd contract was a 4YR/37M deal with 12M guaranteed.  That's probably in the ballpark of what Fackrell's agent will be targeting if his 2019 even remotely resembles this season.

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Just now, Mazrimiv said:

Third down specialist Bruce Irvin never had more than 8 sacks during his rookie deal, and his 2nd contract was a 4YR/37M deal with 12M guaranteed.  That's probably in the ballpark of what Fackrell's agent will be targeting if his 2019 even remotely resembles this season.

Do you know how Irvin was when he signed that 2nd contract relative to Fackrell?

Fackrell will be 27 in a few days - 28 in November of 2019.
 

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Irvin also came into the league as a 25 year old rookie.  Irvin was actually a few weeks older entering year 5 than Fackrell will be in 2020.  (Nov-1 vs Nov 25)

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1 minute ago, Mazrimiv said:

Irvin also came into the league as a 25 year old rookie.  Irvin was actually a few weeks older entering year 5 than Fackrell will be in 2020.  (Nov-1 vs Nov 25)

Oh - so he wasnt a youngster either. Okay. So they're borderline similar.......age / 2nd contract-wise.
Yeah - I looked him up and he's 31 now - so I was trying to figure out the building blocks of his contracts (based on the supposition he started back in his early 20's) - and it wasnt making a helluva lot of sense. Thanks for that detail. If fits now.

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3 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

I submit that Kyler Fackrell on third down passing situations isn't being asked to do what Perry and Matthews are being asked to do on 1st and second downs, but I am the crazy one here these days, so what do I know? 

Matthews yes because he's asked to do a lot more on the defense, but whenever Perry rushed the passer he got his *** handed to him this year.

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Just now, Gopackgonerd said:

Matthews yes because he's asked to do a lot more on the defense, but whenever Perry rushed the passer he got his *** handed to him this year.

Yeah, probably.  I just don't even think about Perry.  I never liked him.  He's a guy who has everything he needs to have been a Hall of Fame pass rusher, he just never put it together until money was on the line.  I've always disliked him, always thought it was a mistake to have drafted him.  Most disappointing pick of my life considering Harrison Smith was available still.  And that's not hindsight talking.  That whole year I talked up the importance of a safety to a defense.  It was my WR/IOL soapbox that year. 

So I'm not as hard on Perry as I should be because he means nothing to me. 

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1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

Yeah, probably.  I just don't even think about Perry.  I never liked him.  He's a guy who has everything he needs to have been a Hall of Fame pass rusher, he just never put it together until money was on the line.  I've always disliked him, always thought it was a mistake to have drafted him.  Most disappointing pick of my life considering Harrison Smith was available still.  And that's not hindsight talking.  That whole year I talked up the importance of a safety to a defense.  It was my WR/IOL soapbox that year. 

So I'm not as hard on Perry as I should be because he means nothing to me. 

He just doesn't work as a stand up EDGE  to me, he's strong as ****, but he's not athletic enough to play that position to its full potential. I think he would be better as a DE. Players that can/could move like Matthews/Fackrell are what you want in a stand up EDGE if they can put it all together. 

 

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21 hours ago, Mazrimiv said:

Third down specialist Bruce Irvin never had more than 8 sacks during his rookie deal, and his 2nd contract was a 4YR/37M deal with 12M guaranteed.  That's probably in the ballpark of what Fackrell's agent will be targeting if his 2019 even remotely resembles this season.

I think we'd be crazy to pay this kid anywhere close to that, but stranger things have happened. 

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I think he will be 29 by then.  I would rather give him a shorter contract with more per year, than commit to him super long term.  He has had half of a good season in his career.  

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22 hours ago, Mazrimiv said:

I don't see any world where it makes sense for Fackrell to sign anything close to a 3YR/12M deal this off season.

Jordy's 2nd contract was a 3YR/15M (including incentives) extension signed in early Oct-2011.  Prior to signing that deal, Jordy's "breakout" season was his 3rd season, where he posted 45/582/2.  From a market value standpoint, those numbers are not close to what Fackrell has already posted this season in 10 games, and we are all aware that the salary cap has risen dramatically since Jordy signed that deal.  I can't imagine a less relevant point than what Fackrell might have accepted as an extension prior to this season.  His outlook going fwd has changed completely since the season began, which is why this thread was created in the first place.  Fackrell is going to do what Perry did, what Cobb did, and what Adams did.  He is going to play out his deal, and make the Packers pay him market value.  If GB doesn't feel like Fackrell is worth that price, Fackrell will be playing somewhere else in 2020.  That's not saying anything bad about Fackell or GB.  It's exactly what both sides should do.

We have him for next year. A new coach may be coming. New edge rushers are coming. Fackrell  will be 28 when his contract is up. I agree that the Packers will stand pat.

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19 hours ago, Gopackgonerd said:

He just doesn't work as a stand up EDGE  to me, he's strong as ****, but he's not athletic enough to play that position to its full potential. I think he would be better as a DE. Players that can/could move like Matthews/Fackrell are what you want in a stand up EDGE if they can put it all together. 

 

Perry has played a lot of snaps this year in a 3 point stance. I haven't charted it, but it's probably at least a quarter.

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On 11/18/2018 at 11:25 AM, Outpost31 said:

I submit that Kyler Fackrell on third down passing situations isn't being asked to do what Perry and Matthews are being asked to do on 1st and second downs, but I am the crazy one here these days, so what do I know? 

Crazy?  No.  Extreme?  Yes.  But I'd agree.  Kyler Fackrell at least early on in the season was more of a pass-rush specialist.

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On 11/15/2018 at 9:44 PM, Cadmus said:

Most didn't like him when he was drafted. The only two I know that actually wanted him on draft day were @CWood21 and myself, but I'm sure there were at least a few others. 

I remember that one vividly.  LOVED the tools, and if you watched his game tape from freshman year specifically against USC you saw what would eventually become a first round pick.  Unfortunately, he tore his ACL I believe and then was used primarily as a coverage LBer in his later years at Utah State.

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