Activated10 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Do you think he's a great OC. Top 5, at worst top 10 in the league. Some people think he's overrated because of Brady and because of his bad stints in Denver and Rams. But the people who are fans of McDaniels say he only failed because he had terrible QBs and you can't do much with terrible QB. They say McDaniels gets Patriots receivers consistently open with his design of plays. I'm not talking about his ability as HC, only as a OC. So where do you stand, great OC or overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Everyone involved in the Patriots gets the overrated label because there is somebody else great that you can say "no they really are the reason for the success". People call Belichick overrated because of Brady. People call Gronk overrated because of Brady. People call Brady overrated because of Belichick. As it pertains to McDaniels, he oversaw several of the greatest offenses this league has every seen, he's implemented schemes and systems that changed the league that were adopted league wide, he's nearly always overseen a top 5 offense, he's gotten by with multiple pieces, the QB many consider the best ever had his first longterm QB coach in Josh and then most consistent OC in Josh, as an OC he's been involved in 4 teams that went to Super Bowls, and his offenses have changed a lot. You could argue he doesn't have the most creative plays of any OC, but he routinely has his guys in a position to be open and to succeed. Consistency over a long period of time is the mark of greatness in this league. No OC has that more than McDaniels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 You can always look smart as a OC when you have Brady to Quarterback it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 How competent McDaniels is can't really be judged tbh, separating a playcaller from an elite QB is hard to do especially since Brady has been elite long before McDaniels. I could say McDaniels is a terrible HC with an ego that will sink his ship, also the colts mess. But even then that was like 9 years ago. I'd say he's an above average OC who will get way too much credit because of the team he is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Umm neither bc I think hes an average of. He certainly isnt up there with Reid, Mcvay, Payton, or Nagy. The scheme has never worked without Brady. On top of that we've seen other OCs leave Brady and do nothing, including Josh McDaniels. Its very hard to not assume that the Patriots offensive success is the result of Brady and Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Strictly as an OC, McDaniels is above average but not great IMO. Like any other OC, he has times where you want to throw a remote at your TV with his playcalling - which admittedly has been more common this year compared to the last handful. But he’s not bad and definitely not replacement level. It is hard to separate him from Brady and Bill, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Umm neither bc I think hes an average of. He certainly isnt up there with Reid, Mcvay, Payton, or Nagy. The scheme has never worked without Brady. On top of that we've seen other OCs leave Brady and do nothing, including Josh McDaniels. Its very hard to not assume that the Patriots offensive success is the result of Brady and Belichick. Since Josh has been their his scheme is 14-6 without Brady. That's slightly less than with Brady, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, lancerman said: Since Josh has been their his scheme is 14-6 without Brady. That's slightly less than with Brady, but still. Which is why I say Brady AND Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: Which is why I say Brady AND Bill Like I said earlier, everyone has a golden carrot to dismiss their contributions to the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 McDaniels is a great OC, but what prevents him from being elite is how incredibly stubborn he gets with the playcalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nex_Gen Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 He's one of the better ones. But his marriage with the Patriots makes him even better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, lancerman said: Like I said earlier, everyone has a golden carrot to dismiss their contributions to the Patriots. A valid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Just now, ET80 said: A valid one. Very similar ones used against both Brady and Gronk. The fact is the NE Patriots became a more offensively focused team when McDaniels took over as OC and they created some of the greatest offenses in history during that time. You can take that for what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I have him top 10. Sure he has Brady but more than Brady he's helped make stars out of a lot of people, that has to count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Those people who claim Tb is a system-QB only, surely they should consider Josh the best OC ever, then? It's his "system..." I think with Josh there is either great games or poor games. There's rarely a 'pretty good' game of play calling. Last week's playcalling was crap, but he's had games where it looks like we are wired into NASA's supercomputer on offense. He is capable of creating plays that get every single player either open or on a mismatch (With help from Brady's pre-snap calls). But more often, we are calling draws on 2nd and short, or something. I'm usually pro-Josh, but I think most Pats fans seem to be low on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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