WizardHawk Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Remember how many of us wanted Desmond King? Our secondary would be unreal had we taken him over Switzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: Remember how many of us wanted Desmond King? Our secondary would be unreal had we taken him over Switzer. I wanted him as a safety I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Matts4313 said: Cool. 25 in 16 games 32 in 16 games (with the 8 sack Chaz Green game) 45 sacks in 12 games and fired the OL Coach Sack rate is 11% Romo's career high is 6.5% You really think this OL is twice as bad as any OL we ever put in front of Romo? I'm not saying the OL doesn't play a part but I think the blame is probably 45%/45% with the other 10 on coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, DaBoys said: You really think this OL is twice as bad as any OL we ever put in front of Romo? Its on pace to double any OL put in front of Dak. So maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 We can play this season over again play for play with 10 different QBs and have 10 different sack totals by the end of week 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Dak Sack rate: 25/459 = 5.4% 32/490 = 6.5 45/364 = 12.4% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, DaBoys said: We can play this season over again play for play with 10 different QBs and have 10 different sack totals by the end of week 13. Probably all of them between high 30s and high 40s Our OL is garbage. Did you not see the saints killing Zeke with the lightest box he has ever seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Probably all of them between high 30s and high 40s Our OL is garbage. Did you not see the saints killing Zeke with the lightest box he has ever seen? It gets better when Tyron is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: @animaltested @showtime @AFlaccoSeagulls Has firing Tom Cable and replacing him with a more competent OL coach been beneficial? I'm sure someone else answered this already but the answer is a resounding YES WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS YEARS AGO?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 OBJ understands if you question him as a man after not diving for an onside kick: "The New York Giant with the best hands, receiver Odell Beckham, was on the hands team to recover. The ball bounced in front of him, where he approached it and appeared to briefly hesitate to recover it. "That's fine," Beckham said, per ESPN, after the Giants ended up winning in overtime, 30-27. "It was a great kick. Sometimes, somebody makes a better play than you do. I can dive in there and still not get the ball. It was a very tough call. Nobody should ever question my effort or my heart. That's the last thing you can do. You can question me as a person, as a man, whatever you want to do. But my heart and my effort can never be questioned -- ever." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiller Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Matts4313 said: I would have to double check with @quiller, but I'm pretty sure he just did QB hits/sacks. Which means if you include hurries (which would be total pressure, the stat you are talking about) it would likely be pushing 50% That is correct just hits sacks as listed in box score And I agree to disagree a little on the while sack situation balance between QB -OL. I personally think QBs Luke Brady amd Payton are the outliers the best all time for a reason with all other QB’s even Rogers I feel sacks are 69-75% due to failure of OL and blitz pick up and play call. And in fact Highly mobile QB’s like Rogers Wilson Newton Mariota and YES Dak in fact decrease sack numbers with their ability to scramble and or just refuse to be sacked Sure there are a few sacks that happen with QBs that just stand their and hold the ball too long and we can debate tell the cows come home that Dak is like that I personally don’t agree but frankly there really is no sure fire way to tell other then eye test and how you view what is happening I just would say there was very little time in the final sack in the NO game for Dak to drop back read his number one and move to his number two or even slide in the pocket he checked there wasn’t a “free” rusher as he did his drop them he viewed the play then he’s sacked that was in my mind all OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 No, typically scrambling QBs like Rodgers, Cam, Vick, and Dak take MORE sacks not less. It's precision pocket passers that take less: Yes all time greats like Brees, like Brady and like P. Manning... But also guys like E. Manning., Carson Palmer And Matt Shaub. It's QBs who can make things happen with their feet that are prone to holding the ball, and refusing to give up on a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 When you start : Backup- Backup - Backup- Martin- Collins And put a mobile(young) QB behind them... Bad things will happen. But our defense is playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Matts4313 said: @animaltested @showtime @AFlaccoSeagulls Has firing Tom Cable and replacing him with a more competent OL coach been beneficial? Yep. Solari + Fluker and Sweezy has turned the leagues worst offensive line into one of the best run blocking units, and an above average pass blocking unit. [sack numbers slightly misleading since Russell holds the ball longer than any other QB]. If you really want a concrete example of such, look at Germaine Ifedi. Like night and day from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 13 hours ago, DaBoys said: No sir, the QB controls the rush way more than you think. I was rereading this after Animal responded - and I think I missed this. Ive been coaching a little QB since he was 4 years old. Ive watched, studied, met with, gone to camps, gone to coaches clinics (etc) everything about QBs for the last 9 years. Ive met with Garrett. I met Scott and Rod. I went to camps led by the Bengals staff, Mike Singletary, Jason Witten, multiple UT players (from the QBs, to Ricky, to Shipleys). Ive done film break down with Texas HS championship coaches. I say all that, to say this. I know that QBs have an enormous impact on the rush. You have been consistently overrating our OL as an opportunity to bash our QB all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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