Danger Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Should Dak give half of any new contract to Cooper? ok what's his passer rating? Miss me with this gibberish statistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Danger said: ok what's his passer rating? Miss me with this gibberish statistic. I don't like EPA either for individual players, but it's @Gmen's favorite. Regardless, it's a dramatic drop-off. I'm sure passer rating would be similar, if not as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said: Should Dak give half of any new contract to Cooper? We just made Cooper one of the highest paid WRs in the NFL.... soooo. Also, this bunk stat is including a full year without cooper - - which was also the time when our OL was ish in passblocking and our offense in general was so terrible that we fired like 3 coaches. Its amazing what going from a near 10% sack rate to a sub 5% can do to your QBs chances to complete passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Giants no longer the superbowl favorites. Which clearly they were. 2020 is going to be playing with scabs, which the Giants were built for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Danger said: ok what's his passer rating? Miss me with this gibberish statistic. EPA is a great statistic. It's based off the idea that not all yards are created equal. Quote The value of a football play has traditionally been measured in yards gained. Unfortunately, yards is a flawed measure because not all yards are equal. For example, a 4-yard gain on 3rd down and 3 is much more valuable than a 4-yard gain on 3rd and 8. Any measure of success must consider the down and distance situation. https://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/stats/stats-explained/expected-points-and-epa-explained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: I don't like EPA either for individual players, but it's @Gmen's favorite. Regardless, it's a dramatic drop-off. I'm sure passer rating would be similar, if not as bad. 27th rated pass blocking 32nd ranked receiving targets (in getting open) Dak was getting sacked 1 out of 10 drop backs, pressured even more. Dak was also throwing the most contested catches in the NFL. Zeke had more receiving yards than our #2 and #3 WRs *combined* to start the season. And he only had like 550. By game 9 we went from: Cole, Hurns, Austin, Swaim to Cooper/Gallup and Jarwin. The same guys who led the #1 offense last year in yards. Philly fans complain about their weapons last year as if Dak didnt have the same problem for a while as well. Atleast phillys OL never shat the bed. Edited June 16, 2020 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gmen said: EPA is a great statistic. It's based off the idea that not all yards are created equal. https://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/stats/stats-explained/expected-points-and-epa-explained I like EPA. I dont like when stats are skewed to fit an agenda. Unless I do it, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Dak leads the league in throwing parties that get his RB the Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Matts4313 said: 27th rated pass blocking 32nd ranked receiving targets (in getting open) Dak was getting sacked 1 out of 10 drop backs, pressured even more. Dak was also throwing the most contested catches in the NFL. Zeke had more receiving yards than our #2 and #3 WRs *combined* to start the season. And he only had like 550. By game 9 we went from: Cole, Hurns, Austin, Swaim to Cooper/Gallup and Jarwin. The same guys who led the #1 offense last year in yards. Philly fans complain about their weapons last year as if Dak didnt have the same problem for a while as well. Atleast phillys OL never shat the bed. Are we talking about 2017? Dak didn't even rank top 10 in aggressiveness percentage that year. He did rank 8th in Time to Throw though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Are we talking about 2017? Dak didn't even rank top 10 in aggressiveness percentage that year. He did rank 8th in Time to Throw though... 2018. In 2017 we actually were really solid until we lost T Smith, Zeke and our WRs were all banged up. After the Falcons game were Dak got drilled for 6 sacks and a lot of other hits, he self admittedly lost confidence in the OL. Which he should have, our OL went to complete trash the second half of the year. So did Dak. He was shook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Matts4313 said: 2018. In 2017 we actually were really solid until we lost T Smith, Zeke and our WRs were all banged up. After the Falcons game were Dak got drilled for 6 sacks and a lot of other hits, he self admittedly lost confidence in the OL. Which he should have, our OL went to complete trash the second half of the year. So did Dak. He was shook. Well, he was 10th in aggressiveness % in 2018, and was 10th in Time to Throw. That generally means his WRs were a lot closer to average at creating separation than they were the worst, and his OL gave him the 10th most time to throw in the league (or he just wasn't getting rid of the ball fast enough). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said: Well, he was 10th in aggressiveness % in 2018, and was 10th in Time to Throw. That generally means his WRs were a lot closer to average at creating separation than they were the worst, and his OL gave him the 10th most time to throw in the league (or he just wasn't getting rid of the ball fast enough). You are looking at it for the full year. I have those numbers etched in my memory from the first 7 games. Before we fired our OL coach and traded for Cooper in the bye. Ive literally written them out about 400k times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: You are looking at it for the full year. I have those numbers etched in my memory from the first 7 games. Before we fired our OL coach and traded for Cooper in the bye. Ive literally written them out about 400k times. So how many of those 1,031 drop-backs in the tweet are you saying should be discounted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Also, you are misrepresenting time to throw. First of all, the spread in that stat is very little. Secondly, he scrambles, so that skews it naturally. I mean - we literally fired one OL coach at the end of 2017 and then fired his replacement 7 games later. We were on our 3rd OL coach in the span of 8 games. That doesnt happen if the OL isnt playing like trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Also, you are misrepresenting time to throw. First of all, the spread in that stat is very little. Secondly, he scrambles, so that skews it naturally. I mean - we literally fired one OL coach at the end of 2017 and then fired his replacement 7 games later. We were on our 3rd OL coach in the span of 8 games. That doesnt happen if the OL isnt playing like trash. ... you ranked 12th in Pass Block Win Rate in 2018. Team-by-team PBWR and PRWR breakdowns 2018 Regular-Season Pass Block Win Rate TEAM PBWR TEAM PBWR 1. Rams 62% 17. Steelers 48% 2. Packers 60% 18. Lions 47% 3. Chiefs 60% 19. Eagles 46% 4. Patriots 59% 20. Saints 46% 5. Browns 59% 21. Bucs 46% 6. Bears 58% 22. Broncos 45% 7. Bills 56% 23. Jaguars 45% 8. Seahawks 56% 24. Jets 44% 9. Panthers 56% 25. Titans 44% 10. Colts 55% 26. Bengals 44% 11. Ravens 54% 27. Giants 43% 12. Cowboys 51% 28. Vikings 43% 13. Chargers 51% 29. 49ers 42% 14. Falcons 51% 30. Raiders 41% 15. Redskins 50% 31. Dolphins 40% 16. Texans 50% 32. Cardinals 38% https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26888038/pass-blocking-matters-more-pass-rushing-prove-it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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