Rich7sena Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I'd feel much happier with an elite interior player at #4 then drafting a boom or bust guys like Sweat or Burns. If Bosa, Murray, and Allen are off the board who else can we take? Between Williams and Sweat or Burns, I don't think anyone would go with the latter two. Between Williams or Allen, Bosa, or trading back--that's more of a question for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: The interior Dline wasn't poor. I know this because I watched them. I'd describe the interior line play from start to finish as unremarkable, but not incompetent. The main issue I detected against the run was an inability to contain the outside because of poor defensive end and linebacker play. I thought Whitehead, in particular, was completely inept in being aggressive when teams would routinely double the nose tackle. I don't know if it was a coaching issue or Whitehead's lack of ability to read and react but he was consistently slow to the ball. He played a little better toward the end of the year but I hope he's the odd man out if Burfict gets a starting role. I also have some trepidation picking Williams if he falls. Quite simply, the Raiders don't have a need at defensive tackle. Williams is a great player, but I'm typically against drafting over players after a year where the players being drafted over showed a lot of promise. If Williams is there along with Allen and Bosa, I'm probably taking either of the two edge rushers as I like them just as much. Along with the Raiders not having an express need int he interior, quality defensive tackles are a dime a dozen in the draft. So if Allen and Bosa are gone and you cant trade down youd reach on someone not being Q? sheesh am I glad these people aren’t GM. That’s like three of these guys now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Agreed. You continuous won’t answer who you would take if Allen, Murray, and Bosa are gone and you can’t trade. Picking anyone there not QW would be absolute ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, BayRaider said: So if Allen and Bosa are gone and you cant trade down youd reach on someone not being Q? sheesh am I glad these people aren’t GM. That’s like three of these guys now. Where in my post did I assert this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, BayRaider said: You continuous won’t answer who you would take if Allen, Murray, and Bosa are gone and you can’t trade. Picking anyone there not QW would be absolute ridiculous. In particular order...at #4 Trade back or take Ferrell, White, Sweat or even Gary I'm not drafting a DT at #4 at all. I don't care what the draft media says. That's a lateral move for the Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Agreed. Which ones showed promise? Our 3 DT combined for 10 TFL, 3 sacks and their play resulted in us ranking 30th in the NFL in rushing defense. That's terrible lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: Which ones showed promise? Our 3 DT combined for 10 TFL, 3 sacks and their play resulted in us ranking 30th in the NFL in rushing defense. That's terrible lmao. Only novice NFL fans think that Sacks and TFLs are the only way to judge a DT group. Then you pile on our rush defense on the DT group? Sheesh how long have you been watching football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, bucksavage1 said: Only novice NFL fans think that Sacks and TFLs are the only way to judge a DT group. Then you pile on our rush defense on the DT group? Sheesh how long have you been watching football? 1 We had the worst front 7 in football last year and have made minimal upgrades in free agency. Why would it make sense to pass on one of the only two elite DL in the draft? What other way is there to judge them? They didn't rush the passer, didn't make plays in the backfield, didn't stop the run... Is there some other metric you're using to say this group is good enough to pass on Williams? If so what is it? And how are you not working in an NFL front office considering you know something better than stats and outcome to judge player performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, bucksavage1 said: In particular order...at #4 Trade back or take Ferrell, White, Sweat or even Gary I'm not drafting a DT at #4 at all. I don't care what the draft media says. That's a lateral move for the Raiders If you would take those guys over Q you have no idea what so ever what you’re doing and are in a 1% minority. Probably less than 1%. Glad you don’t run the team. Now go look at your Kyler Murray pics before bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: Between Williams and Sweat or Burns, I don't think anyone would go with the latter two. Between Williams or Allen, Bosa, or trading back--that's more of a question for me. Yeah Sweats or Burns are not even in the conversation at 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Which ones showed promise? Our 3 DT combined for 10 TFL, 3 sacks and their play resulted in us ranking 30th in the NFL in rushing defense. That's terrible lmao. I think Hurst had 4 sacks so dont know where you getting stats from and that's in 13 games sharing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, OG_C2X said: The raiders don't have a QB in the top 50 of their big board. He will in no way be the pick at 4. I agree they trade that pick for a kings ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 If we couldn't trade or get a DE then you take Q no question him and Hurst would be the future the other guys could be either cut or used as trade capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Yeah Sweats or Burns are not even in the conversation at 4 Exactly. If we have both Allen and Q on the board and we pick Allen I wouldn’t be mad. Wouldn’t agree with it but wouldn’t be mad. If we picked Sweat or Burns over Q that’s just laughable. And I really really like Sweat, Burns, and Ferrell a lot. But they are not Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, raidr4life said: I think Hurst had 4 sacks so dont know where you getting stats from and that's in 13 games sharing time. Was a typo, meant 4 sacks because Hall and Hankins combined for 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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