Chwf3rd25 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: First, as another poster brought up... Sorry If you felt I attacked you. When I wrote that I was in my mind throughly disagreeing with the proposed picks under option 1 and not you as a person/poster. Reading it back I can see how it looks like I meant to attack you but I assuredly did not intend to..... moving on Henderson just isn’t a 1st round CB, IMO... well At least not a top 20/25 pick he has too many issues with technique being all over the place and he tackles like a girl. I see him as a CB2 during his peak. I don’t really care about his workout numbers. Numbers are only thresholds to me... “is he athletic enough for X?” Henderson might be in play @12 but to take him over Lamb and Jeudy @12 is crazy IMO. we might need to take Henderson in the first though .... as there seems to be few options and there drying up fast at CB.... but I’d personally want to trade back from 19 to like 25 before I take him. He’s just not that great. 1. He’s going to likely go top 15, if not top 10 to JAX. Of course you’re entitled to your opinion but having him outside of the top 20/25 is an outlier take. 2. What issues with his technique specifically? 3. It’s not the combine testing numbers - his athleticism screams out on film. The size, fluidity, and closing speed are extremely rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chwf3rd25 said: You don’t want Deion Sanders? Nnamdi Asomough? Of course is rather he be a decent tackler and that knocks his grade down. However, give me the lock down man coverage corner with questionable tackling any day. Henderson absolutely has the ability to be that guy to me. Hasn't played a down in the NFL and you want to throw out Deion Sanders and Nnamdi Asomough as examples. Please bro. If he can lockdown receivers and do it for a number of years, I'll give him a pass for being a sissy that doesn't want to tackle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: Hasn't played a down in the NFL and you want to throw out Deion Sanders and Nnamdi Asomough as examples. Please bro. If he can lockdown receivers and do it for a number of years, I'll give him a pass for being a sissy that doesn't want to tackle. When Henderson gets compared to Deion and Nmandi... that’s when I walk away from the debate. the guys in a few mocks around 15, but apparently me saying he’s a 20-25 range pick is an outlier @Chwf3rd25: honestly i just don’t want to debate Henderson... I watched him a bit as CB is a huge need for us and I thought he was ok but raw and nothing amazing. You can call this a victory if you choose but I don’t want to debate his skill issues right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chwf3rd25 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said: Hasn't played a down in the NFL and you want to throw out Deion Sanders and Nnamdi Asomough as examples. Please bro. If he can lockdown receivers and do it for a number of years, I'll give him a pass for being a sissy that doesn't want to tackle. What? Of course I’m not saying he’s Deion Sanders or Asomough. You stated you wouldn’t want Henderson because you don’t want a CB who isn’t a good tackler. My point is that a great cover CB is incredibly valuable even if they aren’t good tackler. Sanders and Asomough are the first two that come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 Just now, Chwf3rd25 said: What? Of course I’m not saying he’s Deion Sanders or Asomough. You stated you wouldn’t want Henderson because you don’t want a CB who isn’t a good tackler. My point is that a great cover CB is incredibly valuable even if they aren’t good tackler. Sanders and Asomough are the first two that come to mind. This I will agree with 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chwf3rd25 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, jimkelly02 said: When Henderson gets compared to Deion and Nmandi... that’s when I walk away from the debate. the guys in a few mocks around 15, but apparently me saying he’s a 20-25 range pick is an outlier @Chwf3rd25: honestly i just don’t want to debate Henderson... I watched him a bit as CB is a huge need for us and I thought he was ok but raw and nothing amazing. You can call this a victory if you choose but I don’t want to debate his skill issues right now. As stated above, Sanders and Asomough merely stand for the proposition that you don’t need to be a good tackler to be an incredibly valuable coverage CB. That’s it - don’t create a straw man to argue against and then say “I’m done.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Chwf3rd25 said: As stated above, Sanders and Asomough merely stand for the proposition that you don’t need to be a good tackler to be an incredibly valuable coverage CB. That’s it - don’t create a straw man to argue against and then say “I’m done.” It’s not a straw man argument. You are absolutely equating Henderson’s coverage skills to be on an elite level like Deion and Nmandi. That’s like ultra elite, best ever. But Henderson obviously isn’t even that close in skill/ability. and I said I’m done because I honestly don’t really care to debate this further with you. Nice try to bait me back into the debate. Had you actually said something to back up how amazing Henderson is maybe I would have more interest. But you don’t and only have an opinion that Henderson’s tackling like a girl won’t matter when he locks WRs down like Deion..... so yeah I don’t really want to waste the time to debate such nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12: R1P12 WR CEEDEE LAMB OKLAHOMA 19: R1P19 WR HENRY RUGGS III ALABAMA 80: R3P16 RB CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE LSU 81: R3P17 LB MALIK HARRISON OHIO STATE 91: R3P27 S TERRELL BURGESS UTAH 121: R4P15 G SOLOMON KINDLEY GEORGIA 159: R5P13 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN Tear it apart... But I could live with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Totty said: 12: R1P12 WR CEEDEE LAMB OKLAHOMA 19: R1P19 WR HENRY RUGGS III ALABAMA 80: R3P16 RB CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE LSU 81: R3P17 LB MALIK HARRISON OHIO STATE 91: R3P27 S TERRELL BURGESS UTAH 121: R4P15 G SOLOMON KINDLEY GEORGIA 159: R5P13 CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN Tear it apart... But I could live with it. Nice! Don’t really love 2 WRs but overall I like it. Depending on how draft board falls thorough I could be got 2 wRs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, jimkelly02 said: Nice! Don’t really love 2 WRs but overall I like it. Depending on how draft board falls thorough I could be got 2 wRs With the way FA is playing out, we could potentially draft 2. Maybe not in round one, but Gruden did say he wanted the best WR group in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Totty said: With the way FA is playing out, we could potentially draft 2. Maybe not in round one, but Gruden did say he wanted the best WR group in the league. Oh I definitely want 2 WRs in the draft. I meant 2 in Rd 1. I’m hopefully we do something like Lamb at 12, Pittman at 80 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Oh I definitely want 2 WRs in the draft. I meant 2 in Rd 1. I’m hopefully we do something like Lamb at 12, Pittman at 80 I would LOVE to see Lamb or Jeudy in the 1st and Claypool in the 3rd... if he gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Totty said: I would LOVE to see Lamb or Jeudy in the 1st and Claypool in the 3rd... if he gets there. I’d be totally fine interchanging Claypool and Pittman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 starting to think we trade down with that 19th pick. A playoff team in the mid 20s may think they are a player away, and would want to trade up to 19. I'm down with seeing if Apple can sink or swim in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Ruggs and lamb would be fun won't lie. But I'd love lamb and Clayborn too. Or lamb and speedster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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