Calvert28 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 11 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: This may surprise some but I put Troy Aikman up there, would he have been able to win 3 super bowls or be the same HOF'r he is on another team that wasn't as loaded? I personally don't think so Would most of any of those QB's outside of Brady have been able to do that? Bradshaw's team was so loaded he probably could have sat out until the SB each of those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) On 5/30/2019 at 12:29 PM, Superman(DH23) said: No Donovan McNabb? Edit: And Dan Marino overrated? Are you serious? I cant even.... Marino's overratedness stems from the amount of excuses he gets when most of them are myths and people honestly thinking he'd throw for 60 touchdowns and 6k yards in today's game. My vote goes to A-Rod. He's been above average ever since he got shell shocked against Denver in 2015. It's easy to pick on Namath, but he spent most of his career playing on bad knees. Edited June 1, 2019 by Elky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Tony Romo isn't on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Classic said: Tony Romo isn't on this list. Good point knew there was someone missing lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Elky said: Marino's overratedness stems from the amount of excuses he gets when most of them are myths. My vote goes to A-Rod. He's been above average ever since he got shell shocked against Denver in 2015. It's easy to pick on Namath, but he spent most of his career playing on bad knees. Marino literally retired with damn near every passing record. Nobody has to make excuses for him, he was legitimately great and the best qb from the best QB class of all time. Arod is only overrated if you are trying to talk him up as the GOAT. Rush Limbaugh was literally fired from espn for suggesting that McNabb wasnt great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Marino literally retired with damn near every passing record. Nobody has to make excuses for him, he was legitimately great and the best qb from the best QB class of all time. Arod is only overrated if you are trying to talk him up as the GOAT. Rush Limbaugh was literally fired from espn for suggesting that McNabb wasnt great And his records are being broken. Marino was great. No one denies that. However, the "no defense", "no run game" and "had to carry Miami" excuses have been debunked. He never won a Super Bowl because he never stepped up when Miami needed him the most. Edited June 1, 2019 by Elky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Elky said: Marino was great. No one denies that. However, the "no defense", "no run game" and "had to carry Miami" excuses have been debunked. He was a statistical phenom but his insubordination was so pervasive an prolonged that it prevented the team from getting more than the one Super Bowl appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Just now, TVScout said: He was a statistical phenom but his insubordination was so pervasive an prolonged that it prevented the team from getting more than the one Super Bowl appearance. More reasons he isn't even top 5 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Elky said: More reasons he isn't even top 5 imo. The Jimmy vs Jerry conflict caused those two to get what could be called a no-fault divorce. Nothing really surprising or problematic. Head butting at the management level is normal and not the exception in modern business. But an employee undermining his boss and driving Jimmy into retirement is totally beyond the pale. Coach killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Elky said: And his records are being broken. Marino was great. No one denies that. However, the "no defense", "no run game" and "had to carry Miami" excuses have been debunked. He never won a Super Bowl because he never stepped up when Miami needed him the most. His records are being broken in an era where it's much more easy to do so due to the nature of the game. You have to look at a players statistics compared to their peers. Drew Brees and Dan Marino are pretty much the same, Drew got a Super Bowl though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 47 minutes ago, Danger said: His records are being broken in an era where it's much more easy to do so due to the nature of the game. You have to look at a players statistics compared to their peers. Drew Brees and Dan Marino are pretty much the same, Drew got a Super Bowl though. Marino's first year starting a full season was the same statistically as Mahomes' season last year in an era much more difficult to do so. Marino came out of the gate at an insane level and for about 5 years there was no doubt he would go down as the GOAT, championships be damned. Then he leveled off. He still threw a ton and had one of the greatest arms ever but he never recaptured the magic from his early years. Still great and certainly top 10 all time in my book and top 3 in arm talent. If you weigh championships and postseason accomplishments as your #1 factor for judging QBs then he wouldn't be in your (not you) top 10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Elway was a top 3 QB in the league for most of his career and his late SB runs vaulted him into an all time discussion. He isn't in my top 10 but he is only overrated by the people that put him insanely high on lists. Stats don't tell his story, he was special he just wasn't ever up there with Marino/Montana in his era so he shouldn't be in discussion as the best ever because he wasn't a candidate for best in his era. Still an all time great. Probably comparable (in being listed, not as QBs) to Roethlisberger or Rivers from this era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Elway was a top 3 QB in the league for most of his career No, he wasn't. The numbers clearly show this. He wasn't a top caliber QB until '93. At which point he'd already spent a decade in the league. It'd be like if Andy Dalton (still the QB of the Bengals in a few seasons) started becoming an Elite/borderline Elite QB in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Danger said: No, he wasn't. The numbers clearly show this. He wasn't a top caliber QB until '93. At which point he'd already spent a decade in the league. It'd be like if Andy Dalton (still the QB of the Bengals in a few seasons) started becoming an Elite/borderline Elite QB in 2021. He was above the Kosar, Esiason, Kelly, Moon and such QBs at least by popular opinion at the time. Only Marino and Montana were clearly ahead of him. He was league MVP in 87. He also showed he was clutch with "the drive" until the SB came around. He certainly was viewed as a top QB way before 1993 that was actually on the downside of his career, he didn't move nearly as well at that point which was a huge part of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Danger said: His records are being broken in an era where it's much more easy to do so due to the nature of the game. You have to look at a players statistics compared to their peers. Drew Brees and Dan Marino are pretty much the same, Drew got a Super Bowl though. The era argument is irrelevent because on the flipside of things, defenders are much faster than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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