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Evaluating and Projecting the 2019 Roster

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6 minutes ago, Krauser said:

5 tackles seems like overkill. I want Udoh to make it but if he’s good enough to roster they should pick one of Hill and Norton not both. 

It does seem like a lot, but I think that they’ll keep Hill as the swing tackle for 2019, letting him leave in 2020. I did think about Collins in Norton’s spot because he can presumably play tackle or guard. But he’s rarely healthy it seems. From everything I’ve read, the team like Norton and Udoh, so I don’t think they’d want to risk losing either trying to stash them on the practice squad. 

7 minutes ago, Krauser said:

How do you see the kickers being used that they’d keep Bailey? 

I think that Vedvik will be the punter, kickoff specialist, and long field goal kicker. With Bailey kicking shorter distances and extra points. 

Not 100% confident in that, but reading observations from camp yesterday, Wile didn’t touch the ball during team drills, and Bailey was practicing as the holder on kicks. 

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After preseason game 2:

QB (3) Cousins, Mannion, Sloter
RB (3) Cook, Mattison, Boone
FB (1) Blasingame
WR (5) Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, Zylstra, Badet
TE (4) Rudolph, Smith, Conklin, Hikutini
OT (4) Reiff, O'Neill, Hill, Udoh
IOL (6) Bradbury, Kline, Elflein, Jones, Dozier, Samia

DE (4) Hunter, Griffen, Weatherly, Odenigbo
DT (5) Joseph, Stephen, Holmes, Watts, Mata’afa
LB (6) Barr, Kendricks, Gedeon, Wilson, Downs, Smith
CB (5) Rhodes, Waynes, Alexander, Hughes, Thomas
S (4) Smith, Harris, Kearse, Derron Smith

ST (3) Bailey, Vedvik, Cutting

PUP: Morgan
IR: Bower
SUSP: Holton Hill
PS notables: Mitchell, Johnson, Dillon, Saint-Amour, Aruna, Boyd, Epps

Jaleel Johnson released. Blasingame over Ham. Treadwell traded for a bag of chips. 

All the draft picks make it through the 5th round, 2 of 3 from the 6th (Watts and Udoh but not Epps) and 1 of 4 from 7th (Cutting). 

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Krauser said:

After preseason game 2:

QB (3) Cousins, Mannion, Sloter
RB (3) Cook, Mattison, Boone
FB (1) Blasingame
WR (5) Thielen, Diggs, Beebe, Zylstra, Badet
TE (4) Rudolph, Smith, Conklin, Hikutini
OT (4) Reiff, O'Neill, Hill, Udoh
IOL (6) Bradbury, Kline, Elflein, Jones, Dozier, Samia

DE (4) Hunter, Griffen, Weatherly, Odenigbo
DT (5) Joseph, Stephen, Holmes, Watts, Mata’afa
LB (6) Barr, Kendricks, Gedeon, Wilson, Downs, Smith
CB (5) Rhodes, Waynes, Alexander, Hughes, Thomas
S (4) Smith, Harris, Kearse, Derron Smith

ST (3) Bailey, Vedvik, Cutting

PUP: Morgan
IR: Bower
SUSP: Holton Hill
PS notables: Mitchell, Johnson, Dillon, Saint-Amour, Aruna, Boyd, Epps

Jaleel Johnson released. Blasingame over Ham. Treadwell traded for a bag of chips. 

All the draft picks make it through the 5th round, 2 of 3 from the 6th (Watts and Udoh but not Epps) and 1 of 4 from 7th (Cutting). 

You really think Ham will be cut?  Blasingame has been impressive as a rookie but outside of being cheaper not sure Ham is that bad.  Blasingame has showed a ton as a pass catcher though and is very versatile, not sure they cut Ham for him however.

Treadwell I would not mind trading him but unless that happens he makes the roster.  Badet is not really needed and if it is between Badet and Treadwell that is not even a conversation.  Johnson might make the team but only as a return man if they are interested in that. Again doubt Badet makes it unless he is considered a gunner type of special teams, does have good speed which could help his cause.

With Ameer as the return man if that is out of the question Johnson I think might get the return man nod over Beebe but maybe Beebe could do it.  But with Ameer since Mattison and especially Boone has looked so good Ameer might have a hard time making the squad.  Dozier looked great a OT I feel, if he keeps that up I would not mind him as the backup OT over Hill possibly but will see.

 

Not sure I would keep Watts over Jaleel but Watts did show up decent against Seattle and did a few things.  I agree with Thomas making it, I liked how he looked against Seattle.  Loved seeing Kearse make those big plays in the backfield that was great to see.  Again with Hikutini not sure he makes it, honestly if they put him on the PS just in case someone gets injured I doubt anyone would pick him up.

 

Oh and give me Sloter as the #2 over Mannion all day long, better arm talent and he is such a better athlete which fits perfectly in this offense I feel.  He can roll out and move and is a good ball handler.  Give me him even though Mannion has done ok in the preseason, Sloter is the better of the two I feel.

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53 minutes ago, SemperFeist said:

I still can’t put Zylstra ahead of Bisi. 

Zylstra was excellent in the Seahawks game. If he can stay healthy he makes sense as a backup outside receiver. 

Bisi has 2 catches in the NFL preseason to date, one of which was wide open. They could keep him instead of Badet but then I don’t know who’s the KR (not that that matters much). 

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3 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

You really think Ham will be cut?  Blasingame has been impressive as a rookie but outside of being cheaper not sure Ham is that bad.  Blasingame has showed a ton as a pass catcher though and is very versatile, not sure they cut Ham for him however.

Ham is OK but he doesn’t threaten as a receiver. I agree they probably keep him, but this is my roster. 

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Treadwell I would not mind trading him but unless that happens he makes the roster.  Badet is not really needed and if it is between Badet and Treadwell that is not even a conversation.  Johnson might make the team but only as a return man if they are interested in that. Again doubt Badet makes it unless he is considered a gunner type of special teams, does have good speed which could help his cause.

With Ameer as the return man if that is out of the question Johnson I think might get the return man nod over Beebe but maybe Beebe could do it.  But with Ameer since Mattison and especially Boone has looked so good Ameer might have a hard time making the squad. 

Johnson is probably better than Badet as a receiver but Badet does return kicks and I really don’t want to keep Abdullah. 

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Dozier looked great a OT I feel, if he keeps that up I would not mind him as the backup OT over Hill possibly but will see.

Still can’t imagine cutting Hill when he’s playing half decent with the starters and has considerable starting experience. I think they might see Dozier as their best backup G and wanted to see if he could hold up at LT, where he was OK. That flexibility helps on game days. 

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Not sure I would keep Watts over Jaleel but Watts did show up decent against Seattle and did a few things.  I agree with Thomas making it, I liked how he looked against Seattle.  Loved seeing Kearse make those big plays in the backfield that was great to see.  Again with Hikutini not sure he makes it, honestly if they put him on the PS just in case someone gets injured I doubt anyone would pick him up.

Jaleel just isn’t getting it done so far this year. Watts has more long term upside, so if he can hold up as a backup DT, they might let Jaleel go. That assumes that Linval comes back healthy and they can use Stephen rotationally at NT and Holmes sometimes on early downs at 3T. 

They had to outbid the Niners to get Hikutini on the PS last year. He’s already 25 and in his 3rd year. They can keep Dillon on the PS, so if they don’t roster Hikutini (maybe they won’t, but I like the idea of keeping 4 TEs if they’re often going to be using 2 or 3 of them), they’ll probably lose him on waivers.

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Posted (edited)

 Here's are my changes from what I had in April (in another thread):

Quarterbacks
QB1: Kirk Cousins
QB2: Sean Mannion (UFA)

QB3: Kyle Sloter

Practice Squad ("PS"): Jake Browning (R - UDFA)

Runningbacks
RB1: Dalvin Cook
RB2: Alexander Mattison (R - 3rd)
RB3: Mike Boone

FB: CJ Ham 

Cut: Ameer Abdullah

PS: Khari Blasingame (R - UDFA)


Wide Receivers
WR1:Stefon Diggs
WR2: Adam Thielen
WR3: Chad Beebe
WR4: Olabisi Johnson (R - 7th)
WR5: Jeff Badet

PS: Dillon Mitchell (R - 7th)
Cut: Laquon Treadwell, Brandon Zylstra, Taylor Jordan (UFA), Davion Davis (R - UDFA)

Tight End
TE1:Kyle Rudolph
TE2: Irv Smith Jr (R - 2nd)
TE3: Tyler Conklin

TE4: Cole Hikutini

PS:  Brandon Dillon (R - UDFA)
Cut: David Morgan

Tackles
LT: Riley Reiff
RT: Brian O'Neill
OT3: Rashod Hill
OT4: Oli Udoh (R - 6th)
PS: Storm Norton

Cut: Aviante Collins, Nate Wozniak

Guards
RG: Josh Kline (UFA)
LG: Pat Elflein
OG3: Dru Samia (R - 4th)

Cut: Danny Isidora, Dakota Dozier (UFA)

PS: John Keenoy (R - UDFA)

Centers
C1: Garrett Bradbury (R - 1st)
C2: Brett Jones
Cut: Cornelius Edison

Defensive Ends
LE: Danielle Hunter
RE: Everson Griffen
DE3: Stephen Weatherly
DE4: Ifeadi Odenigbo
Cut: Tashawn Bower, Anree Saint-Armour (R - UDFA), Stacy Keely

PS: Karter Schult (UFA), Ade Aruna

Defensive Tackles
NT: Linval Joseph
DT: Shamar Stephen (UFA)
DT3: Jaleel Johnson
DT4: Jalyn Holmes
DT5: Hercules Mata'afa
PS: Armon Watts (R - 6th) 
Cut: Curtis Cothran, Tito Odenigbo (R - UDFA)

Linebackers
MLB: Eric Kendricks
OLB: Anthony Barr
OLB: Ben Gedeon
LB4: Eric Wilson
LB5: Cameron Smith (R - 5th)

LB6:  Kentrell Brothers

Cut: Devante Downs, Reshard Cliett

Cornerbacks
CB1: Xavier Rhodes
CB2: Trae Waynes
CB3: Mike Hughes
CB4: Mackensie Alexander
CB5: Duke Thomas (UFA)

PS: Craig James

Susp: Holton Hill

Cut: Bene Benwikere, Kris Boyd (R - 7th), Nate Meadors (R - UDFA)

Safeties
S1: Harrison Smith
S2: Anthony Harris
S3:Jayron Kearse

S4: Derron Smith (UFA)

S5: Marcus Epps (R -6th)

Cut:  Isaiah Wharton

Specialists
K: Dan Bailey
P: Kaare Vedvik
LS: Austin Cutting (R - 7th)

Cut: Matt Wile

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8 hours ago, Krauser said:

Treadwell traded for a bag of chips.

We better at least get kettle chips 

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5 minutes ago, skywindO2 said:

We better at least get kettle chips 

I'd rather have chips and salsa.

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Just now, SemperFeist said:

It goes beyond just throwing the ball against backups’ backups.

I would agree with this. Mannion isn't flashy, but he's a capable backup. He's no worse than Shaun Hill was when he was here.

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Dalvin Cook is expected to be the Vikings featured back, and Zimmer said a little over a week ago that rookie Alexander Mattison has impressed.

Zimmer: “I’ll try to say this the correct way — I think Mattison has got a really bright future.  I think the other two guys can help in change-of-pace situations.”

That would be Ameer Abdullah and Mike Boone, who could both end up making the roster if the Vikings decide to keep four running backs as they did a year ago.

https://www.vikings.com/news/vikings-roster-spots-current-offense-mikezimmer-era-trends?sf217897257=1

 

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“But let’s say you want to keep 10 defensive linemen, but you only got nine that can play, so you’re going to take that extra spot and you’re going to put it at maybe the receiver spot or the tight end spot, quarterback or whatever it is,” Zimmer said Tuesday. “Or maybe we want to keep nine defensive linemen, but we think we have 10 really good ones, then we’re going to keep them.”

https://www.vikings.com/news/roster-spots-a-numbers-game-on-defense-and-special-teams

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Who helped and hurt their case after the week 3 game?

I think the biggest winners are Bisi Johnson and Mike Boone.

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10 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said:

Who helped and hurt their case after the week 3 game?

I think the biggest winners are Bisi Johnson and Mike Boone.

I agree with those guys both being big winners.

As far as losers, Abdullah is the loser of the Boone win. It is hard to pick out who was the loser of the WR battle because they have all been so bad it is hard to say who the competition was there. But, I'll say that Beebe was a loser as he had the WR3 job well in his grasp and he not only didn't solidify that but opened the door to calling it into questions.

With how bad the WRs have been I am starting to think that the Vikings may be best off keeping Treadwell around for the year if they can't trade him. And that is pretty sad.

Jayron Kearse continues to look nice but I am not sure what he really wins based on that as he still isn't the starter. Same can be said of Sloter.

Balsingame helped his chances a lot. And that hurts Ham's chances. The team can't really keep two FBs, can they? 

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