LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, buno67 said: He wasnt a #2 pick for no reason, but why didnt he look like a top5 pick in '14, '15, '16, 17, or in training camp/preseason in '18. 5 minutes ago, buno67 said: He only started to look like a serviceable LT after Freddie and Baker. So did literally the entire rest of the offense save Nick Chubb. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Quote He only started to look like a serviceable LT after Freddie and Baker. So did literally the entire rest of the offense save Nick Chubb. im just saying it took 4.5 years for him to look serviceable. Robinson and Hubbard went to serviceable after that change. Bit and Zeitler looked like top 5 guards and JCT looked like a top10 center. There is a reason the G-C-G combo b/w those three were one of the best group of inside guys after the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, buno67 said: im just saying it took 4.5 years for him to look serviceable. Robinson and Hubbard went to serviceable after that change. Bit and Zeitler looked like top 5 guards and JCT looked like a top10 center. There is a reason the G-C-G combo b/w those three were one of the best group of inside guys after the change. Didn’t he allow ZERO sacks last season (iirc)? That’s hardly “serviceable”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Didn’t he allow ZERO sacks last season (iirc)? That’s hardly “serviceable”. So as far as Browns legends Greg Robinson Josh Cribbs Phil Dawson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 3 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Didn’t he allow ZERO sacks last season (iirc)? That’s hardly “serviceable”. How many sacks did the entire unit give up with freddie and Baker compared to Haley/Baker?Scheme helped. When he was in the Haley scheme in the preseason, he was pretty bad Robinson was also flagged 10x for holding. Hubbard was only flagged 3x Zeitler flagged 3x Bit flagged once JCT flagged once That doesn’t look good when the other 4 guys played all 16 games and Greg just played 8. Harrison was flagged 7x for holding for comparison. One of the picks Baker threw vs the Texans, Robinson got absolutely destroyed on the inside move. Baker saw it and rushed the throw and it was picked. Good thing Robinson didn’t give up the Sack. Or what about the holding call that brought back the Callaway TD in the Texans game. He doesn’t hold, Baker is prolly sacked as well either way he cost them a TD. Yeah Robinson gave up zero sacks but he didn’t look like the Black Joe Thomas our there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: So as far as Browns legends Greg Robinson Josh Cribbs Phil Dawson Beautiful... 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: So as far as Browns legends Greg Robinson Josh Cribbs Phil Dawson No Kaluka Maiava? Bad list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: No Kaluka Maiava? Bad list. Or Chiaverini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 8 hours ago, buno67 said: Yeah Robinson gave up zero sacks but he didn’t look like the Black Joe Thomas out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, buno67 said: I just don’t trust him that with how bad of a bust he was, that he is now the sure franchise LT and that he has to be paid like one. also Hughes was the 31st pick, not a 2nd overall pick. You can say Indy held him back cause he went right to Buffalo and had issues. Greg struggles with the rams, struggled with the lions, and couldn’t beat out a UDFA. I’m crediting baker and Freddie. My tune can change after seeing him play the whole season but after those last 8 games. He looked good but not franchise LT good. Especially to pay him to be paid like one of the top LTs. He has to prove it If Baker, Dorsey, Kitchens and everyone else involved feel comfortable with Williams, so do I... Bringing up the past has no bearing on the present, especially if he feels like he has a new lease on life and has focused on his technique. Edited August 4, 2019 by MSURacerDT55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: If Baker, Dorsey, Kitchens and everyone else involved feel comfortable with Williams, so do I... Bringing up the past has no bearing on the present, especially if he feels like he has a new lease on life and has focused on his technique. I am very comfortable with williams, just not comfortable with Robinson lol but again, Robinson wasn’t some technician last year in those last 8 games. Dude was flagged 10x for holding. That’s more than the entire rest of the offense line combined for the entire season. Yeah it’s great that he didn’t give up sacks but it’s not like he was stone walling l DEs left and right. He prolly saved himself from giving up a sack a few times by holding but also prolly got bailed out on by Baker getting rid of the ball before. A holding penalty can be just as harmful to a drive than a sack. Only good thing is the QB isn’t getting hit. Robinson has a lot to prove to be labeled as our franchise LT Edited August 4, 2019 by buno67 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, buno67 said: A holding penalty can be just as harmful to a drive than a sex. Excessive holding often results in that outcome. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 2 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Bringing up the past has no bearing on the present, especially if he feels like he has a new lease on life and has focused on his technique. I thought that's what we got Campen for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: Excessive holding often results in that outcome. It’s why you gotta work a push pull move to get off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, bruceb said: I thought that's what we got Campen for. That is true but how many guys did Campen take and turn around? I know the Packers were known for taking low drafted guys and turning them into starters or taking a mid rd guy and turning them into a stud but I don’t remember the Packers ever signing a guy who was known as a bad player and than magically turning them around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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