flyingmonkey30 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 If my math is right, Dak should be asking for $41M annually with $122M guaranteed in the first three years. Because that would be what he would earn with back to back to back franchise tags. Cowboys backed themselves into a corner on this one. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: This is a good way to insult the intelligence of Dak and ...well the vast majority of everyone else. I know the team doesn’t really care if it comes to this, but to pawn it off as best offer, etc is garbage. But it may not be. If the only area of contention is really in the number of years (which we don't know, since none of us are privy to what has been offered or demanded), then it looks poorly on the player rather than the organization. If the organization gave a lowball offer (especially with respect to guaranteed money), then the organization will have mud on its face because they're coming across as disingenuous and cheap. Again, no one really knows, not even the "insiders". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, D82 said: But how dumb is that? You kicked Romo to the curb to play the guy you drafted and he excels. Then, when it comes time to pay him, you basically **** around and either end up having to pay him more or decide to let him walk because....why? You think you can find better? This front office’s record with QBs is terrible and it’s far more likely we find another scrub and end up back as a bottom dweller. Because they may not have the confidence that he can elevate the team by himself and fear that a large salary will force the team to let other players walk and thus erode from overall team performance and wins. We have not seen any evidence that he can carry the team by himself without complete reliance on the players around him, so letting them walk would mean that his numbers will go down, and the losses will increase. There in-lies the risk with paying any QB a huge salary. As I've said before, if the team truly believed that he is "their guy", then he would've received that extension a long time ago. Edited July 15, 2020 by plan9misfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 minute ago, plan9misfit said: But it may not be. If the only area of contention is really in the number of years (which we don't know, since none of us are privy to what has been offered or demanded), then it looks poorly on the player rather than the organization. If the organization gave a lowball offer (especially with respect to guaranteed money), then the organization will have mud on its face because they're coming across as disingenuous and cheap. Again, no one really knows, not even the "insiders". The dispute over 4 years vs. 5 and how widely that’s been reported makes a lot of sense, though, because without any additional context, it looks like DAL is more committed to Dak than vice versa. But in practice, it’s really a 4-year deal vs. 4 with a team option. We don’t know exactly what either side is proposing, that’s true. We do know that the Joneses prefer to go all the way to deadline on these deals and aren’t above negotiating through the media in thinly veiled ways. The 4- vs. 5-year deal thing is quite savvy in how it plays off of people’s lack of understanding of NFL contracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, matt79511 said: The dispute over 4 years vs. 5 and how widely that’s been reported makes a lot of sense, though, because without any additional context, it looks like DAL is more committed to Dak than vice versa. But in practice, it’s really a 4-year deal vs. 4 with a team option. We don’t know exactly what either side is proposing, that’s true. We do know that the Joneses prefer to go all the way to deadline on these deals and aren’t above negotiating through the media in thinly veiled ways. The 4- vs. 5-year deal thing is quite savvy in how it plays off of people’s lack of understanding of NFL contracts. Exactly. And make no mistake, I've never been a fan of the way that the Jones family handles negotiations. Negotiating through the media is slimy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: Because they may not have the confidence that he can elevate the team by himself and fear that a large salary will force the team to let other players walk and thus erode from overall team performance and wins. We have not seen any evidence that he can carry the team by himself without complete reliance on the players around him, so letting them walk would mean that his numbers will go down, and the losses will increase. There in-lies the risk with paying any QB a huge salary. As I've said before, if the team truly believed that he is "their guy", then he would've received that extension a long time ago. Did you not just see what Kansas City did? The cap is a damn myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, D82 said: Did you not just see what Kansas City did? The cap is a damn myth. Each team manages the cap differently. And in case you haven't noticed, there's also a substantial difference in talent between KC's QB and ours. Their guy can elevate the entire team by himself, where ours can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: Each team manages the cap differently. And in case you haven't noticed, there's also a substantial difference in talent between KC's QB and ours. Their guy can elevate the entire team by himself, where ours can't. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: Each team manages the cap differently. And in case you haven't noticed, there's also a substantial difference in talent between KC's QB and ours. Their guy can elevate the entire team by himself, where ours can't. Also, it looks like they worked pretty hard at reducing his cap hit over the next 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, D82 said: Pat took a signing bonus of just 10 million and has a cap hit of just 5, 24 and 31 for next 3 years. This allowed them to sign Chris Jones whom without they lose the SB last year. He was a major unsung hero. Daks cap hit is 31 million in 2020 and would be in 30s or more for duration. You see how Mahomes didn't reset market at all. His big money is back loaded. I understand that much more is essentially guaranteed than has been reported because of criteria involved to trigger a guarantee. In any event Mahomes took a very team friendly deal. https://overthecap.com/player/patrick-mahomes/5594/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Slamman Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, flyingmonkey30 said: If my math is right, Dak should be asking for $41M annually with $122M guaranteed in the first three years. Because that would be what he would earn with back to back to back franchise tags. Cowboys backed themselves into a corner on this one. Again. If that’s the case, the organization should start fielding offers from other teams to trade Dak. The difference between Dak and the QBs who signed for a lot less this offseason isn’t that great. So, why should Dak be paid 4-10x the amount of those QBs? Makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, D82 said: *sigh* Sigh all you want. The questions are still out there. And, it's not as if I'm the only one asking them. As I've also said, Garrett's incompetence as a coach has to factor into the equation because he was a progress stopper. I want to know how influential he was with respect to our struggles as a team and how those struggles impacted QB performance. I'm 100% certain that it played a significant role, but that doesn't mean that the other questions will suddenly cease with Garrett's ouster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Pat took a signing bonus of just 10 million and has a cap hit of just 5, 24 and 31 for next 3 years. This allowed them to sign Chris Jones whom without they lose the SB last year. He was a major unsung hero. Daks cap hit is 31 million in 2020 and would be in 30s or more for duration. You see how Mahomes didn't reset market at all. His big money is back loaded. I understand that much more is essentially guaranteed than has been reported because of criteria involved to trigger a guarantee. In any event Mahomes took a very team friendly deal. https://overthecap.com/player/patrick-mahomes/5594/ This logic will not set in here. People here have been saying Dak is minutes from a new deal for 2 calendar years now. They will argue that 27-21 is a good W/L record, that Mahomes just raised Daks price point astronomically, that Jerry is backed into a corner somehow even though the cap is a myth... All before they admit that Mahomes took a team friendly deal to help his team win. Edited July 15, 2020 by DaBoys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Mahomes' contract is fully guaranteed in practice and incomparable to every NFL contract before it, but sure go on about how his cap hits the next three years make Dak a selfish ******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Slamman Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, matt79511 said: Mahomes' contract is fully guaranteed in practice and incomparable to every NFL contract before it, but sure go on about how his cap hits the next three years make Dak a selfish ******* You don’t see how mahomes contract is extremely team friendly? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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