Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, 5x10 said: Lol, “passing” tds happy now? Do only passing TDs count? PS: 1.6 TDs/game x 16 games is 26 TDs. Which is actually still pretty decent. So your whole argument is once again trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5x10 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Do only passing TDs count? PS: 1.6 TDs/game x 16 games is 26 TDs. Which is actually still pretty decent. So your whole argument is once again trash. Daks a good running qb, not great daks an average passer, which is the point of my post go ahead and try to inflate it, it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 24 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Passer Rating Player Passer Rating 1 Ryan Tannehill 117.5 2 Drew Brees 116.3 3 Lamar Jackson 113.3 4 Kirk Cousins 107.4 5 Russell Wilson 106.3 6 Matthew Stafford 106 7 Patrick Mahomes 105.3 8 Jimmy Garoppolo 102 9 Derek Carr 100.8 10 Dak Prescott 99.7 Total QBR Player Total QBR 1 Lamar Jackson 81.7 2 Patrick Mahomes 76.4 3 Drew Brees 71.8 4 Dak Prescott 70.6 5 Matthew Stafford 70.2 6 Russell Wilson 69.8 7 Deshaun Watson 68.9 8 Ryan Fitzpatrick 66.6 9 Ryan Tannehill 62.5 10 Derek Carr 62.4 PFF Player PFF 1 Ryan Tannehill 92.5 2 Drew Brees 91.2 3 Russell Wilson 91.2 4 Lamar Jackson 91.1 5 Kirk Cousins 84.3 6 Pat Mahomes 84.1 7 Matthew Stafford 82.4 8 Aaron Rodgers 81.2 9 Deshaun Watson 81.0 10 Dak Prescott 80.3 DVOA Player DVOA 1 Drew Brees 40.1% 2 Lamar Jackson 35.3% 3 Pat Mahomes 30.0% 4 Matthew Stafford 28.8% 5 Ryan Tannehill 28.1% 6 Dak Prescott 27.2% 7 Russell Wilson 25.2% 8 Derek Carr 18.9% 9 Kirk Cousins 14.5% 10 Jimmy Garoppolo 11.2% Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt Player ANY/A 1 Ryan Tannehill 8.52 2 Patrick Mahomes 8.38 3 Drew Brees 8.33 4 Lamar Jackson 8.19 5 Matthew Stafford 8.15 6 Dak Prescott 7.84 7 Kirk Cousins 7.73 8 Russell Wilson 7.42 9 Derek Carr 7.25 10 Jimmy Garoppolo 7.22 Aggregate of these 5 lists (if you were to hold each in equal regard) QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg 1 Drew Brees 2 3 2 1 3 2.2 2 Lamar Jackson 3 1 4 2 4 2.8 3 Ryan Tannehill 1 9 1 5 1 3.4 4 Patrick Mahomes 7 2 6 3 2 4.0 5 Matthew Stafford 6 5 7 4 5 5.4 6 Russell Wilson 5 6 2 7 8 5.6 7 Dak Prescott 10 4 10 6 6 7.2 8 Kirk Cousins 4 13 5 9 7 7.6 9 Derek Carr 9 10 12 8 9 9.6 10 Deshaun Watson 11 7 9 11 12 10.0 11 Jimmy Garoppolo 8 12 13 10 10 10.6 12 Aaron Rodgers 12 20 8 12 11 12.6 13 Carson Wentz 13 11 16 20 16 15.2 14 Matt Ryan 14 14 15 13 20 15.2 15 Tom Brady 19 16 10 16 17 15.6 16 Philip Rivers 17 22 17 14 15 17.0 17 Ryan Fitzpatrick 23 8 14 19 22 17.2 18 Jared Goff 22 24 19 17 13 19.0 19 Gardner Minshew 15 27 20 22 14 19.6 20 Jacoby Brissett 18 21 29 15 21 20.8 21 Drew Lock 16 23 30 18 18 21.0 22 Kyler Murray 21 15 25 21 24 21.2 23 Jameis Winston 25 18 21 24 19 21.4 24 Daniel Jones 20 17 24 28 26 23.0 25 Baker Mayfield 30 19 18 23 27 23.4 26 Josh Allen 24 25 26 26 23 24.8 27 Sam Darnold 26 26 28 29 25 26.8 28 Andy Dalton 31 29 23 25 28 27.2 29 Mitchell Trubisky 27 28 27 27 29 27.6 30 Mason Rudolph 28 31 31 30 30 30.0 31 Dwayne Haskins 32 32 22 32 32 30.0 32 Kyle Allen 29 30 32 31 31 30.6 From what takes the least into account to what takes the most into account: Passer Rating= completion %, Y/A, TD% and INT% ANY/A= similar to passer rating but weighed differently + sacks and yards lost on sacks are added to the equation DVOA= the outcome of every play is compared to the league average in that same situation, every box score factor possible is utilized. For QBs, DVOA does not include running, unlike QBR. QBR= similar to DVOA, but with a touch of subjectivity that goes beyond box score (drops, bad plays that weren't fault of QB, etc.), and a clutch factor (more weight towards plays in situations deemed clutch) PFF= every play is looked at and given a grade, the final grade is the cumulative score of every play normalized to a 0-100 scale Just now, 5x10 said: Daks a good running qb, not great daks an average passer, which is the point of my post go ahead and try to inflate it, it is what it is Dak is the 7th best QB in the NFL. Average is 16. So please try to learn math (specifically how to divide by 2) when you make comments like "average" in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5x10 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 16 tds in 12 games against teams not the giants or redskins a few of those in Garbage time he is what he is, a consistently inconsistent passer hes not going to win the game when the run is shut down not many qbs in the league can, we had one that could, ‘sign him to a multi year deal, and repeat the outcome over and over again ‘and then there’s the 5 game span that rivaled Quincy Carter’s worst 5 games yes, the same guy Edited December 31, 2019 by 5x10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Dak is the 7th best QB in the NFL. Average is 16. So please try to learn math (specifically how to divide by 2) when you make comments like "average" in the future. So Dak is basically Kirk Cousins?, Because Cousins is #8 based on your fancy stats and Derek Carr is #9...... and Rodgers is #12 Your stats are garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGame316 said: So Dak is basically Kirk Cousins?, Because Cousins is #8 based on your fancy stats and Derek Carr is #9...... and Rodgers is #12 Your stats are garbage So the combined opinion of: The NFL ESPN PFF Football Outsiders ANY/A (best QB stat) Is "Garbage"... But your opinion should mean jacksheet? Really? Are you that arrogant and ignorant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, 5x10 said: 16 tds in 12 games against teams not the giants or redskins a few of those in Garbage time he is what he is, a consistently inconsistent passer hes not going to win the game when the run is shut down not many qbs in the league can, we had one that could, ‘sign him to a multi year deal, and repeat the outcome over and over again ‘and then there’s the 5 game span that rivaled Quincy Carter’s worst 5 games yes, the same guy Dak can't win when he doesn't have all his receivers (It took Cooper to "fix" Dak) Dak can't win when the run is shut down Dak can't overcome a bad defense (or one outside the top 10) Dak can't overcome poor coaching (Can't see the bad playcall and doesn't audible out of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Matts4313 said: So the combined opinion of: The NFL ESPN PFF Football Outsiders ANY/A (best QB stat) Is "Garbage"... But your opinion should mean jacksheet? Really? Are you that arrogant and ignorant? Not as much as you are Matts.... You just sit and cherry pick whatever stats you like that fits your argument. Disingenuous at best Just keep your Dak excuse Rolodex up to date, you'll need lots of them every year when he starts getting paid 35+ and his supporting cast starts disappearing around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGame316 said: 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: So the combined opinion of: The NFL ESPN PFF Football Outsiders ANY/A (best QB stat) Is "Garbage"... But your opinion should mean jacksheet? Really? Are you that arrogant and ignorant? Not as much as you are Matts.... You just sit and cherry pick whatever stats you like that fits your argument. Disingenuous at best combined - do you know the definition? As in, all 5 of the companies. Their opinions. altogether. And an Eagles fan made the list. 1 minute ago, TheGame316 said: Just keep your Dak excuse Rolodex up to date, you'll need lots of them every year when he starts getting paid 35+ and his supporting cast starts disappearing around him Dont need excuses for Dak. His play speaks volumes. He is the 7th best QB in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: combined - do you know the definition? As in, all 5 of the companies. Their opinions. altogether. And an Eagles fan made the list. Dont need excuses for Dak. His play speaks volumes. He is the 7th best QB in 2019. They are the averages of collections of "Fancy Stats", which are GARBAGE How'd being 7th best work out for him? Given the talent he had around him, The team being relatively free of any injuries , and what your fancy stats would call a "Top 10 defense"? 8-8, out of the playoffs 5 wins in their last 12 games Lost the "win and your in" game Sure sounds pretty "elite" Edited December 31, 2019 by TheGame316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, TheGame316 said: How'd being 7th best work out for him? Given the talent he had around him, The team being relatively free of any injuries , and what your fancy stats would call a "Top 10 defense"? Actually the fancy stats call our defense between 18-24th ranked. 1 minute ago, TheGame316 said: 8-8, out of the playoffs 5 wins in their last 12 games Lost the "win and your in" game Sure sounds pretty "elite" Lol - back to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Actually the fancy stats call our defense between 18-24th ranked. Lol - back to ignore. Life must be hard Matts.... You puss out when you don't have a graph to make you feel better about your boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Actually the fancy stats call our defense between 18-24th ranked. Lol - back to ignore. I cherry picked one for you.... 11th in points 9th in yards.... I'll let you figure out the "Average" https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm Edited December 31, 2019 by TheGame316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) Waits for it................ .................................... .................................... Yeah, but you can prove water isn't wet with analytics. Edited January 1, 2020 by WizardHawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: Waits for it................ .................................... .................................... Yeah, but you can prove water isn't wet with analytics. "All these advances stats can not disprove that I saw him throw some bad passes therefore he is awful" - CowboysTrolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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