childofpudding Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Too early to say, but I'd probably say Ingram at this point because he has a higher ceiling. Brown having Stevens as his coach gives him a boost that makes it pretty close, but Brown's handle and offensive awareness are still pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I don't even think Ingram has a higher ceiling. Browns offensive awareness is fine. Handles are one of the easiest things for a basketball player to improve, so I'm not really worried about that. Brown has the potential to be a great two way player, labeling his ceiling as a 3/D guy is just asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 hours ago, MookieMonster said: I don't even think Ingram has a higher ceiling. Browns offensive awareness is fine. Handles are one of the easiest things for a basketball player to improve, so I'm not really worried about that. Brown has the potential to be a great two way player, labeling his ceiling as a 3/D guy is just asinine. You have anything to back your opinion that handles are easy to improve? Regardless, I look at the situation he's in. He's not going to be the #1 option, and honestly I don't think he'll ever be the #2 option either as long Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward are on the roster. And given what Jayson Tatum did in the Summer League, there's reason to think that he's going to be higher on the pecking order in terms of offense. It's not a knock on Jaylen Brown, but I don't envision a scenario in which Jaylen Brown ever becomes the focal point of the offense like I think the Lakers plan on doing with Brandon Ingram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersuavesky Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Probably Brown. Like his defensive potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersuavesky Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 42 minutes ago, CWood21 said: You have anything to back your opinion that handles are easy to improve? Regardless, I look at the situation he's in. He's not going to be the #1 option, and honestly I don't think he'll ever be the #2 option either as long Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward are on the roster. And given what Jayson Tatum did in the Summer League, there's reason to think that he's going to be higher on the pecking order in terms of offense. It's not a knock on Jaylen Brown, but I don't envision a scenario in which Jaylen Brown ever becomes the focal point of the offense like I think the Lakers plan on doing with Brandon Ingram. You make it seem like Ingram is destined to be a number one. He's more than likely a second tier option as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle21121 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 13 hours ago, champ11 said: He's a punk? He had some incidents against the raptors. He thinks he's a real tough guy on one end and a superstar who deserved superstar calls on the other end even though he was a 20 MPG rookie. I really like his game but he sorta pissed me off otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 10 hours ago, kyle21121 said: He had some incidents against the raptors. He thinks he's a real tough guy on one end and a superstar who deserved superstar calls on the other end even though he was a 20 MPG rookie. I really like his game but he sorta pissed me off otherwise. Gotcha. I was just wondering because he seems like an awesome dude off the court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 14 hours ago, CWood21 said: You have anything to back your opinion that handles are easy to improve? Regardless, I look at the situation he's in. He's not going to be the #1 option, and honestly I don't think he'll ever be the #2 option either as long Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward are on the roster. And given what Jayson Tatum did in the Summer League, there's reason to think that he's going to be higher on the pecking order in terms of offense. It's not a knock on Jaylen Brown, but I don't envision a scenario in which Jaylen Brown ever becomes the focal point of the offense like I think the Lakers plan on doing with Brandon Ingram. What are the odds Ingram ever becomes the focal point? Lonzo Ball is going to be the guy with the ball in his hands the most and than you have the rumors of LeBron, PG, Westbrook, etc. potentially coming next year and Ingram could quite easily end up in the same situation as Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersuavesky Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 10 hours ago, kyle21121 said: He had some incidents against the raptors. He thinks he's a real tough guy on one end and a superstar who deserved superstar calls on the other end even though he was a 20 MPG rookie. I really like his game but he sorta pissed me off otherwise. That doesn't necessarily make him a punk. He could just not like the Raptors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 41 minutes ago, Supersuavesky said: That doesn't necessarily make him a punk. He could just not like the Raptors. Like most of the nba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeDefense Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I am really high on Brown and low on Ingram so this decision is easy for me. I think he's going to improve every year due to Stevens and he's already gifted with elite athleticism, that to me is why he has an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 15 hours ago, CWood21 said: You have anything to back your opinion that handles are easy to improve? Regardless, I look at the situation he's in. He's not going to be the #1 option, and honestly I don't think he'll ever be the #2 option either as long Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward are on the roster. And given what Jayson Tatum did in the Summer League, there's reason to think that he's going to be higher on the pecking order in terms of offense. It's not a knock on Jaylen Brown, but I don't envision a scenario in which Jaylen Brown ever becomes the focal point of the offense like I think the Lakers plan on doing with Brandon Ingram. If you're talking about summer league then you're talking about a conscious effort in which to use Jaylen Brown to run an offense and learn to facilitate, because they want him to be a big part of the offense. Of course Tatum looked more comfortable, he wasn't trying an entirely new role. The only thing I have to back an opinion that his handle will improve is that he's already improved on all of his skill sets from college and has generally improved on everything the coaching staff has asked him to. We will see, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Ive not seen any current pictures, but has Ingram put on any weight and muscle this off season? He needs to add 20 pounds or so if he is going to grow into that frame of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersuavesky Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Ive not seen any current pictures, but has Ingram put on any weight and muscle this off season? He needs to add 20 pounds or so if he is going to grow into that frame of his. He has some judging from his summer league. But was still noticeably on the slender side. But that was mid summer so we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Handles are definitely one of the easiest things for a player to improve. Countless guys improve handles from college to their primes. Curry is a great example, he went from decent handles to unreal handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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