jdzimme3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 kyle shanahan being way underrated here. 49ers had a mid ranked offense last year playing with their 3rd string qb and a random sampling of nobodies at rbs and wrs. He is the 49ers most valuable asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, jdzimme3 said: kyle shanahan being way underrated here. 49ers had a mid ranked offense last year playing with their 3rd string qb and a random sampling of nobodies at rbs and wrs. He is the 49ers most valuable asset. He won 10 games in the first 2 years. Calling him average right now is about the same as saying incomplete as he should be graded much harsher based on results. If the team goes 10-6 this year then he will climb on these sort of rankings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdzimme3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, LeotheLion said: He won 10 games in the first 2 years. Calling him average right now is about the same as saying incomplete as he should be graded much harsher based on results. If the team goes 10-6 this year then he will climb on these sort of rankings. if that's the case maybe we should just rank coaches based on wins. If we arent factoring in the situation why even have the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, jdzimme3 said: if that's the case maybe we should just rank coaches based on wins. If we arent factoring in the situation why even have the conversation. I don't even know what you are arguing. Did he overachieve to go 10-22 in his first 2 years? Saying he's an average coach is putting context into the situation. That is an awful record and yet I'm not calling him an awful coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdzimme3 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, LeotheLion said: I don't even know what you are arguing. Did he overachieve to go 10-22 in his first 2 years? Saying he's an average coach is putting context into the situation. That is an awful record and yet I'm not calling him an awful coach. fair enough. if just looking at record, and saying he is average, i could see how you are putting in context. My perspective is based on more that just record and how the team has fared on offense and defense, ranking significantly higher in both than they should have based on talent. Also, i am a niners homer so there is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, LeotheLion said: He won 10 games in the first 2 years. Calling him average right now is about the same as saying incomplete as he should be graded much harsher based on results. If the team goes 10-6 this year then he will climb on these sort of rankings. This was my exact line of thinking including him in "average". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I <3 Faulk Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 19 hours ago, Trentwannabe said: I am naming my son Sean. Gotta go with Sean McPay Cover all your bases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, I <3 Faulk said: Gotta go with Sean McPay Cover all your bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconrad11 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I think that BB, Payton, and Pederson are 1-2-3. Don't agree with McVay or Reid being higher than Dougie P at this point. Despite a decimated team these last few years, Dougie still has this team contending. Pretty incredible iyam. Hot take: Kyle Shannahan will surpass Sean McVay after this season. IMO he's the best offensive mind in football. Not McVay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Why is Lynn being underrated? Since becoming head coach only Pederson, Bill, Mcvay, Reid and Payton have more wins. And if you look at Chargers after that wacky 0-4 start in 2017, only Rams, Saints and Pats have more wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, baconrad11 said: I think that BB, Payton, and Pederson are 1-2-3. Don't agree with McVay or Reid being higher than Dougie P at this point. Despite a decimated team these last few years, Dougie still has this team contending. Pretty incredible iyam. Hot take: Kyle Shannahan will surpass Sean McVay after this season. IMO he's the best offensive mind in football. Not McVay I'm fine with Pederson being ahead of McVay but if you have that opinion then you also have to have the opinion that Goff is a pretty good QB. Not necessarily better than Wentz but still a good QB in his own right. If you think Goff is an average/below average QB then I think McVay needs to be ahead because nothing else would explain the offensive production. Shannahan cannot do anything to surpass McVay after this season short of winning the Super Bowl and the Rams going like 5-11. He might be the better offensive mind, but McVay has done a much better job at building and sustaining a winning culture. This is the first year Kyle hasn't been coaching a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 21 hours ago, Elky said: I prefer to rank via tiers Bill Belichick Bill BelichickElite Sean McVay Andy Reid Doug Pederson Sean Payton Pete CarrollGreat John Harbaugh Ron Rivera Matt Nagy Frank Reich Bruce Arians Sean McDermottGood Matt Patricia Doug Marrone Anthony Lynn Mike Zimmer Kyle Shanahan Mike TomlinAverage Jason Garrett Pat Shurmur Mike VrabelBad Dan Quinn Adam Gase Jon Gruden Jay GrudenRookie Zac Taylor Fred Kitchens Jon Gruden Vic Fangio Matt LeFleur Brian FloresBill O'Brien Bill O'Brien Missing a coach and tier... Man Candy: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Bearerofnews said: Why is Lynn being underrated? Since becoming head coach only Pederson, Bill, Mcvay, Reid and Payton have more wins. And if you look at Chargers after that wacky 0-4 start in 2017, only Rams, Saints and Pats have more wins. To be fair, he's had 1 great season. He does appear to be a great coach (and I'm a Chargers hater), and even I have him above average with other really good coaches despite his small sample size. He just needs more longevity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 12:43 PM, Soggust said: I'd probably have it something like this in general with groupings in no particular order: GOAT Bill Belichick Great Sean McVay Andy Reid Doug Pederson Mike Tomlin Sean Payton Pete Carroll John Harbaugh Above Average Matt Nagy Frank Reich Bruce Arians Anthony Lynn Dan Quinn (could maybe be Average) Average Ron Rivera (could maybe be Above Average) Doug Marrone Mike Zimmer Jason Garrett Adam Gase Mike Vrabel Jon Gruden Kyle Shanahan Matt Patricia Sean McDermott Below Average Pat Shurmur Jay Gruden Bill O'BrienRookie Zac Taylor Fred Kitchens Jon Gruden Vic Fangio Matt LeFleur Brian Flores If we are talking this year alone, I would probably change it significantly Sean McDermott is far from average. Broke the Bills playoff drought year 1 with a decent roster. Somehow got to 6 wins last year with Peterman, no OL, no WRs, and no depth on D. Now is 3-1 and lost a 6 point game to BB and the Pats. He's an elite defensive coach and gets the players to play for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john305 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, The BILLievers said: Sean McDermott is far from average. Broke the Bills playoff drought year 1 with a decent roster. Somehow got to 6 wins last year with Peterman, no OL, no WRs, and no depth on D. Now is 3-1 and lost a 6 point game to BB and the Pats. He's an elite defensive coach and gets the players to play for him. He won 5 games with Allen and 1 with Barkeley so saying he won 6 with Peterman is inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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