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23 minutes ago, Malfatron said:

because BB knows exactly how to best exploit this

and that is a reason to let the game to be the way it is, because BB is smart, he is smart now, and he will be smart no matter how they change rules. Besides an inadvertent whistle there is nothing that should not be able to be challenged and it should not affect your time outs. If it was patently obvious that you are challenging a call just to try to get an extra time out, the refs could then  dock you a time out. 

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14 hours ago, nagahide13 said:

 

Huh. It's almost like you said it verbatim.

EG5N7AqXYAAKe_7.jpg:largeWhere would you say his hands are based on that picture. It is indisuptable that they are in the head and neck area. His hand is quite literally rested on the neck and grabbing the helmet. At that moment on the ref needed was to make a judgment that he thought it was either 1. forcible enough to pin back the head (the Packers player has his head pinned back, you could argue he is selling it, but that's part of the game) or prolonged (you can debate what prolonged is, but anything more than an instantanous incidental touch can be viewed as prolonged in a football context). 

So on that particular play, the ref if he had that vantage point had enough  to determine that the hands were in the face and neck area (because they were and you cannot dispute that) and that you could make a reasonable judgment it was forcible. The worst thing you can say is that it was a soft flag. That does not make it an illegitimate flag. 

Learn the rules

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12 hours ago, MWil23 said:

Rigged from a "wants to win" and/or gambling standpoint? Unlikely

Rigged from a "premier player, especially QB and his team get the benefit of the doubt in crunch time/critical calls" standpoint? ABSOLUTELY

That's not really rigged though. That happens in virtually all sports. In basketball Lebron gets every call. In baseball the star players will get the benefit of every close pitch (IE a star pitcher facing a nobody will get a strike if it's borderline, but Jeter will get a ball). In boxing, in a close fight, judges are very averse to giving the challenger a decision over the champion. I don't think that's rigged. I think that's bias, which is a different thing. It's no different than refs being influenced by the crowd during a home game and being averse to throwing softer flags

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11 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

I was told the league rigged the Jags Pats AFC title game to get Brady in the Super Bowl so he could win his 6th championship. You know because he’s the “golden boy”. Those same people two weeks later were never able to explain why the nfl then allowed their “golden boy” to lose a Super Bowl to a backup QB.

Every time the Patriots win it's rigged. When they lose though, all of a sudden it's not rigged (like when the refs refused to call any of the numerous holding calls they could have during the helmet catch). It's funny how when people don't get what they want, they have a golden carrot to point to. 

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2 hours ago, Malfatron said:

because BB knows exactly how to best exploit this

Isn't that ultimately the issue though? Belichick is better at knowing the game and studying how things are likely to go than everyone else, so he prepares his team a certain way and takes actions a certain way. It's like when everyone complained about the catch rule, and Belichick and Patriots WR's said that they were coached to never reach out or dive to extend the play and to just secure the ball. 

Good coaching should be rewarded and incentived. The goal shouldn't be to coddle bad coaching. 

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4 minutes ago, lancerman said:

Isn't that ultimately the issue though? Belichick is better at knowing the game and studying how things are likely to go than everyone else, so he prepares his team a certain way and takes actions a certain way. It's like when everyone complained about the catch rule, and Belichick and Patriots WR's said that they were coached to never reach out or dive to extend the play and to just secure the ball. 

Good coaching should be rewarded and incentived. The goal shouldn't be to coddle bad coaching. 

you are asking the wrong guy.

i dont like instant replay.

we shouldnt even show instant replays.

out of sight, out of mind

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41 minutes ago, Malfatron said:

you are asking the wrong guy.

i dont like instant replay.

we shouldnt even show instant replays.

out of sight, out of mind

Instant replay is a problem. It makes fans want a system where the output is perfection in a game where a good chunk of the rule book is based on subjective judgments. Also fans are hypcoritical on this. The old catch rule that was in place was designed to take as much subjectivity away from the refs. But fans didn't like that so they demanded a new rule and now there is an extra element of subjectivity in it. 

The reality is that everyone who has ever played this game at any level dealt with some poor calls, questionable calls, soft calls, flatout wrong calls, or calls against them for things that didn't impact the game. People generally moved on. 

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On 10/15/2019 at 10:18 AM, TheVillain112 said:

Certain teams and QBs do appear favored.  I do think the NFL is purposely making sure QBs like Brady and Rodgers are protected.  Similar hits on say Dalton just go ignored...

I really wish Rodgers was half as protected as fans think he is. Literally can't remember the last RTP call he received. He's probably bottom half of the league there.

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On 10/15/2019 at 10:19 AM, Bolts223 said:

Both drives that the Packers scored a TD on were extended by the refs when the Lions had them stopped. The final face mask penalty ended the game. There was also the EXTREMELY questionable overturn on the catch and fumble. It’s not like this was one single play the Lions got screwed on, it was multiple. 

I mean let's not forget Detroit got a phantom TD call that was probably more questionable than any of the calls GB got...

And that Johnson catch was not remotely extremely questionable. That was an obvious incompletion. C'mon now.

The last Hands to Face flag was the wrong call. The rest is noise, Detroit benefitted from bad calls as well. The feigned outrage is a product of Booger and is silly.

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23 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

I really wish Rodgers was half as protected as fans think he is. Literally can't remember the last RTP call he received. He's probably bottom half of the league there.

He got one in the Cowboys game a week ago

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1 hour ago, lancerman said:

Where would you say his hands are based on that picture. It is indisuptable that they are in the head and neck area. His hand is quite literally rested on the neck and grabbing the helmet. At that moment on the ref needed was to make a judgment that he thought it was either 1. forcible enough to pin back the head (the Packers player has his head pinned back, you could argue he is selling it, but that's part of the game) or prolonged (you can debate what prolonged is, but anything more than an instantanous incidental touch can be viewed as prolonged in a football context). 

So on that particular play, the ref if he had that vantage point had enough  to determine that the hands were in the face and neck area (because they were and you cannot dispute that) and that you could make a reasonable judgment it was forcible. The worst thing you can say is that it was a soft flag. That does not make it an illegitimate flag. 

Learn the rules

that angle looks like hands to the hairO.o Maybe it's a reason the common hair for a player used to be a buzzcut back in the day when Lombardi was around. 

The ref's have to make calls in real time from their angle. It's not always going to be the best angle for them and they can't watch all the OL for the entire play. 

"As a fan, I don't want to have to  learn the rules, but will on a weekly basis most likely. "

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On 2019-10-15 at 12:09 AM, Floortom said:

It’s not rigged. There are certain environments (franchises, players etc.) that elicit more favourable referring though

how does this happen though?

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9 minutes ago, 3rivers said:
On 10/15/2019 at 12:09 AM, Floortom said:

It’s not rigged. There are certain environments (franchises, players etc.) that elicit more favourable referring though

how does this happen though?

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21 minutes ago, 3rivers said:
On 10/14/2019 at 11:09 PM, Floortom said:

It’s not rigged. There are certain environments (franchises, players etc.) that elicit more favourable referring though

how does this happen though?

If this were true, there would be 100 articles written about it already.

This thread pops up every year. Every year the teams with with best records are the reason/target. Like clockwork lol.

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