Ragnarok Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, MD4L said: So Lamar throwing 36 TDs last year didn’t happen? None of his production was garbage time. I never said that. I think that Kyler is about as good a passer as Lamar at this point as has a higher ceiling in terms of reading a defense and natural accuracy. I'm looking as much to the future as right now considering the age of both guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: I never said that. I think that Kyler is about as good a passer as Lamar at this point as has a higher ceiling in terms of reading a defense and natural accuracy. I'm looking as much to the future as right now considering the age of both guys. Kyler is 23 (August 1997) Lamar is 23 (January 1997) Granted, I'm not saying you're wrong as far as the "ceiling" goes given Murray's passing thus far in terms of game progression/production, but the age standpoint is almost identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Well I guess if this is how some people view Lamar then I'm glad pickle rejected my offer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, MWil23 said: Kyler is 23 (August 1997) Lamar is 23 (January 1997) Granted, I'm not saying you're wrong as far as the "ceiling" goes given Murray's passing thus far in terms of game progression/production, but the age standpoint is almost identical. I know. So future growth is something I would take into account for both. Whereas if I was comparing Kyler to Big Ben, it'd be a little different discussion cause Ben is almost 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, rackcs said: I don't think he's proven himself elite yet but I definitely think he's a good QB at the very least 4 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I think it's safe to say that he's "good". I don't think it's safe to say that he's great/elite/an MVP contender. Passing Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 38 37 22-15-0 689 1145 60.2 8034 51 4.5 28 2.4 372 75 7.0 6.8 11.7 211.4 86.1 86 566 6.07 5.87 7.0 8 11 17 2018 22 BUF QB 17 12 11 5-6-0 169 320 52.8 2074 10 3.1 12 3.8 89 75 6.5 5.4 12.3 172.8 67.9 49.8 28 213 5.35 4.37 8.0 2 3 6 2019 23 BUF QB 17 16 16 10-6-0 271 461 58.8 3089 20 4.3 9 2.0 146 53 6.7 6.7 11.4 193.1 85.3 47.9 38 237 5.72 5.71 7.6 4 5 11 2020 24 BUF QB 17 10 10 7-3-0 249 364 68.4 2871 21 5.8 7 1.9 137 49 7.9 8.2 11.5 287.1 103.2 78.4 20 116 7.17 7.45 5.2 2 3 Looking just at the numbers, we can see marked progression with his completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, Rating/efficiency, and getting rid of the ball/taking less sacks. He's also drastically cut down on his fumbles. There's enough there to say that he's "Good". I ask because Allen is 4-3 since the start of October with 11 TDs, 6 interceptions, and 7.2 YPA. It's been a pretty sizable drop-off from his hot start. 2 minutes ago, MD4L said: 4 playoff appearances. 0 300 yard passing games. His signature playoff win is against the Saints in the controversial game. Goff also led the Rams that year to the second d performance in SB history with a team not scoring a TD. His first two years with Gurley was exciting but Goff is the textbook definition of the average QB in today’s NFL. He literally had a 300 yard passing game in Week 1 of his second NFL season. Unless you're talking purely about playoff games, which is silly because A) at least Goff has made it to the playoffs, unlike Murray, and B) he's only had four games to even try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: I know. So future growth is something I would take into account for both. Whereas if I was comparing Kyler to Big Ben, it'd be a little different discussion cause Ben is almost 40. Got it. I thought you meant that Kyler had the edge since he was younger...so I was not quite understanding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blue said: I ask because Allen is 4-3 since the start of October with 11 TDs, 6 interceptions, and 7.2 YPA. It's been a pretty sizable drop-off from his hot start. He started off playing red hot football, and he did that against some good teams (Dolphins, Rams), and then he's played a pretty tough schedule since then with the Raiders, Titans, Cardinals, Patriots Defense, Chiefs, and Seahawks. Granted, that lousy performance vs. the Jets looks bad, but I look at it more like "leveling off/coming back to earth" vs. a telling dropoff. Throw in the late fall in Buffalo/the lake Erie effect there with the wind and elements, and I think it's certainly likely his stats level off some going down the stretch. Let's see where he ends up, but I think that he's definitely "good". JMHO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: I never said that. I think that Kyler is about as good a passer as Lamar at this point as has a higher ceiling in terms of reading a defense and natural accuracy. I'm looking as much to the future as right now considering the age of both guys. wait they're both black, it's fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 15 hours ago, bcb1213 said: I mean I'll give u Russell Wilson but Daniel Jones throws the ball to everyone. His team, the opponents, the crowd. Ya never know Lol...sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Blue said: wait they're both black, it's fine One has some Asian in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Greg Roman was a "visionary offensive mind" that finally "molded an offense to fit his QB" with both Kaep and LJ, and now that both have come back down to earth, he's somehow overly simplistic, predictable, and behind the times. Not For Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Sorry MD4L no Jameis love for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Greg Roman was a "visionary offensive mind" that finally "molded an offense to fit his QB" with both Kaep and LJ, and now that both have come back down to earth, he's somehow overly simplistic, predictable, and behind the times. Not For Long This is why I'm not as sour on Lamar's struggles this season. Just a few weeks ago Lamar did an interview where he was saying how opposing defenses were consistently calling out their plays before they happened. Greg Roman always gets figured out and it's happened again. You can't win if the defense knows what you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheltzbahr Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Ragnarok said: I might take Kyler over Lamar. I think Kyler is a better passer already. Lol, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheltzbahr Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Bottom line is both Murray and Jackson are elite RBs who are playing QB. If they can even be average level accuracy/reading a defense, they are top 10 QBs in the league due to the dual threat. If they are good level accurate/read, they are MVP level QBs based on production alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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