MookieMonstah Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, theJ said: One thing is for sure though - ain't now way in hell you're going to be able to teach a kindergartener at 6 o'clock at night. That's just not possible. Speaking as a parent who has a 3 and 6 year old, lol. Yeah, its quite easily the worst "proposal" I've seen. Logistically, every other one I've seen is very doable. Making school run for 12 hours is just dumb quite frankly. It just adds a ton of unnecessary issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, SwAg said: Hardly worth responding to, but just to reiterate, as a matter of professional objectivity, it is nearly impossible to re-open schools safely and comply with the requirements allotted under the Civil Rights Act, IDEA, and ADA. No amount of rhetoric or anecdotes will change that. It’s not that I am resistant to a workable solution. It’s literally been my job since May to attempt to find the legal solutions, and it’s been nothing more than an exercise in futility. Complying with those acts are a challenge under the best of circumstances. It doesn't matter what alternate solution is posed/chosen, any disruption to the system will be amplified across the special cases. The legal and funding side are additional challenges that need to be considered in addition to the "everyday" logistical challenges. But you obviously can't consider those solutions until a logistical solution is determined. A legal and funding solution is worthless if the underlying logistics will never work. Legal and funding are the paperwork. Logistics is the deliverable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SwAg Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Become informed if you want to espouse your opinion within the realm of my profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, SwAg said: Become informed if you want to espouse your opinion within the realm of my profession. You need to realize you effectively stated the same thing a page ago lol. Ego is showing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: You need to realize you effectively stated the same thing a page ago lol. Ego is showing... Yeah don't know who that was directed toward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I don’t find that insulting because what you mistake for ego is a desire for people to be informed on a factual issue prior to galavanting an oversimplified solution that cannot even begin to be a solution because it is ignorant of several major issues. Where you then dismiss it as essentially “it’s different” and “that’s just paperwork.” You have no conception of any of the inner mechanisms, and it is displayed in every post. But please, continue to inform the masses on education policy based on your vaunted engineering expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Enjoy the circular arguing and reductionist misinterpretations, as I make my exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, SwAg said: Enjoy the circular arguing and reductionist misinterpretations, as I make my exit. We still don't even know who you're directing these posts toward 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) I have no idea how anyone can read the content of those posts, or the sequence of interactions, and be left wondering to who I am speaking. Edited July 11, 2020 by SwAg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, SwAg said: I have no idea how anyone can read the content of those posts, or the sequence of interactions, and be left wondering to who I am speaking. *whom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, theJ said: We still don't even know who you're directing these posts toward He's talking to incognito and the guy who originally stated the 12 hour school proposal, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: How do you think the days would be split? Grade level, right? You do know track athletes will range from all grades, right? How can I have a practice in the morning if half my athletes are in class? Or are you saying that I should hold a practice for all track athletes at 5AM, because thats even more insane tbh. You can't just pack buses dude. Or are you just saying we say eff social distancing and just pack full buses? I mean, the 12 hour teaching day is way more difficult than any of the other possible fixes I've heard. It makes very little sense and overly complicates basically everything. It doesn't even dive into the fact that teachers unions will absolutely never agree to it. We should move on though, it's not a realistic scenario and has about a 0.1% chance of taking place in the United States regardless. I also think we should just cancel the fall sports now. It sucks, because I love football at all levels, but with the amount of testing that needs to happen, it's just not going to work. Right now, I'd rather focus on getting the kids in class and having all of the extra help that they might need, before we start throwing sports into things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) Wired did an interview with Larry Brilliant over three months ago about Covid 19: https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist/ Here's the follow up second interview: https://www.wired.com/story/larry-brilliant-on-how-well-are-we-fighting-covid-19/?utm_source=pocket-newtab Quote It seems like the longer it goes, the less we know about it. Every week something new comes up that contradicts what we thought we already knew. No, no—you know a lot more about it now than you did three months ago. Yes, there are absolutely more questions today than there were 100 days ago. But part of that is because we’re getting more sophisticated in our ability to ask questions. Three months ago, we had only had a couple hundred cases of this novel virus. We have now got over 11 million cases, and a half a million deaths globally. The virus has been speeding along at an exponential speed, but so has science. So now we can begin to understand that this virus attacks the circulatory system, it attacks the vascular and nervous systems, it attacks the respiratory system, it attacks our ability to bring in oxygen. That’s why people can go to the hospital and be on their phone, not in any respiratory distress, but have oxygen saturation in the 50s, which in the old days we’d think of as you’re near death. It also makes you understand why you can get these Covid toes, why you can lose your sense of taste or smell, why you can have a stroke. This virus attacks blood vessels, it creates blood clots. That is probably one of the reasons why it causes strokes. We have a very large number of deaths due to kidney failure, and we are having terrible results from the ventilators that we were so obsessed about early on, though lately it’s looking a little better, because we’ve learned more about how to use them for this disease. We have learned a tremendous amount about this virus, about how it infects people, how it kills, how it spreads, but the big surprise to me is the kind of pan-organ nature of its attack. It gives the lie to anybody who thought that a comparison with influenza was in the ballpark. Edited July 11, 2020 by Xenos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, SwAg said: So, you can attempt to figure out the logistics of bare minimum school functionality until the opening day, but a substantial portion of children will be denied their student rights and expose the school to massive liability — which is a bill ultimately covered by the taxpayers. Legislative / administrative action, or pointless self-inflicted wound are the options at present. Write your congressman if you want children back in school so badly. If they suspend or amend some of the legal requirements, then it just becomes bad policy rather than legally perilous policy. What about the numbers of kids who were left out from distance learning in the area that you are working on policy for? In my county, it's 3500 kids. I know each case is different, and as you said in the post above this, it's nearly impossible to figure this out. And we've had a lot of time to look at it, and most schools are 1-2 months from returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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