PFF Score Discussion

[MacReady]

Week 1:

Rodgers - 96.0

Ervin - 75.7
Dillon - 72.7
Aaron Jones - 54.1

Josiah Deguara - 71.2
Jace Sternberger - 68.6

Adams - 84.0
Lazard - 70.0
MVS - 57.5

David Bakhtiari - 87.4
Elgton Jenkins - 70.2
Corey Linsley - 84.0
Lucas Patrick - 66.1
Jon Runyan - 73.1
Rick Wagner - 79.8

Kenny Clark - 65.6
Kinglsey Keke - 66.6
Tyler Lancaster - 68.5
Dean Lowry - 55.0

Krys Barnes - 82.0
Christian Kirksey - 46
Oren Burks - 57.8

Jaire Alexander - 71.0
Kevin King - 56.8
Josh Jackson - 63
Chandon Sullivan - 34.1

Darnell Savage 38.5 (yikes)
Adrian Amos - 51

Preston Smith - 54.2
Za'darius Smith - 74.6
Rashan Gary 64.6
 

Week 2:

Aaron Rodgers - 95.6 (down half a point

Aaron Jones - 67.9 (up about 13)
Jamaal Williams - 65.2
Tyler Ervin - 64.3 (Down about 12
AJ Dillon - 91.2 (WTF, PFF?)

Josiah Deguara - 71.2 (don't think he played)
Robert Tonyan - 57.9
Jace Sternberger - 37.5 (cut him now?)

Davante Adams - 80.4 (Down about 4)
Allen Lazard - 63.2 (Down about 7)
MVS - 57.2 (down three tenths)

David Bakhtiari 87.6 (up)
Elgton Jenkins - 69.3 (Down)
Corey Linsley - 92.1 (up)
Lucas Patrick - 67.7 (Up a couple)
Jon Runyan - 71.3 (down about 2)
Rick Wagner - 74.2 (down about 5)

Kenny Clark - 65.6
Kinglsey Keke - 59.7 (Down about 5)
Tyler Lancaster - 65.6 (down about 3)
Dean Lowry - 46.7 (down about 😎

Krys Barnes - 81.9 (down a tenth a point)
Christian Kirksey - 30.1 (down 16 points)
Oren Burks - 57.8

Jaire Alexander - 86.3 (up about 15)
Kevin King - 66.5 (up about 10)
Josh Jackson - 83.5 (up about 20)
Chandon Sullivan - 58.7 (up about 24)

Darnell Savage 44.2 (up about 6)
Adrian Amos - 45.4 (down about 5)

Preston Smith - 50.1 (down 4)
Za'darius Smith - 64.8 (down about 8)
Rashan Gary 60.4 (down about 4)

Week 3:

Aaron Rodgers - 95.6 (No Change)

AJ Dillon - 91.2 (No change)
Aaron Jones - 65.2  (Down couple)
Jamaal Williams - 62.3 (down about 3)
Tyler Ervin - 62.6 (Down about 2)


Marcedes Lewis - 80.5 (Kept forgetting to add him)
Josiah Deguara - 71.2 (don't think he played)
Robert Tonyan - (65.6 (Up about 10) 
Jace Sternberger - 53.9 (Up about 16)

Davante Adams - 80.4 (Didn’t play)
Allen Lazard - 67.7 (Up 4.5)
MVS - 53.9 (down about 3)
Darrius Shepherd - 55.5

David Bakhtiari 90 (up 2.6)
Corey Linsley - 88.1 (down 4)
Rick Wagner - 74.2 (No change didn’t play)
Lucas Patrick - 72.3 (Up a couple)
Jon Runyan - 71.3 (No change)
Elgton Jenkins - 66.4 (Down 4) 
Billy Turner - 62.7


Tyler Lancaster - 71.9 (up about 5)
Kinglsey Keke - 68.2 (Up about 9)
Kenny Clark - 65.6
Montravius Adams - 65.3
Dean Lowry - 52.8 (Up about 4)

Oren Burks - 77.3 (Up about 20)
Krys Barnes - 77.2 (down about 3)
Ty Summers - 61.1
Christian Kirksey - 31.9 (up 1.3)

Jaire Alexander - 87.4 (Up about a point)
Kevin King - 57.9 (Down about 6)
Josh Jackson - 83.5 (no change/didn’t play)
Chandon Sullivan - 60.2 (Up about 2.5)

Will Redmond - 57.3
Adrian Amos - 56.1 (Up about 12)
Darnell Savage 52.4 (Up about 10)

Za'darius Smith - 61.6 (down about 2)
Rashan Gary 58.8 (Down about 2)
Jonathan Garvin - 53.6
Preston Smith - 48.7 (Down about 2)

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Outpost31

[MacReady]

I’m planning on updating these weekly, I just got lazy tonight and will finish it later.  Gotta love Aaron’s score.  MVS probably dinged hard for his two drops I would imagine.  
 

I think PFF is full of faults, but I also think it has SOME merit.  I am doing this solely to track progression throughout the season.  

Edited September 16, 2020 by Outpost31

[MacReady]

Holy cow, Krys Barnes with an 82. 

[MacReady]

@packfanfb, you know I still get to troll you if Krys Barnes becomes some great ILB, right?

Because he’s some undrafted nobody that took zero investment.

[Gopackgonerd]

Barnes even playing at all was the surprise of Sunday to me lol. As far as personell decisions. Jumbled up OL played fantastic all around.

[Spartacus]

The only one that concerns me a ton is Chandon Sullivan. I hope he didn't regress this year we really need that above average CB play. 

[pacman5252]

The grades don’t surprise me. PFF grades on how often you win your rep, make the perceived right read/decision.
 

This type of system overrates - a guy like Barnes who only played like a dozen snaps and had really easy responsibility (mostly playing down hill)

- historically it overrated Tramon and deeper corners. T Will rates as a top 20 corner several years, but even off will admit it’s because he was never going up against higher rated wrs

-It also underrates the freaky high variance players like MVS. Not many players can win get open deep like him, but he messes up  consistently 

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by pacman5252

[Kenrik]

27 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

The only one that concerns me a ton is Chandon Sullivan. I hope he didn't regress this year we really need that above average CB play. 

Tramon is waiting by the phone. When hes not hes probably working out.

[packfanfb]

8 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

@packfanfb, you know I still get to troll you if Krys Barnes becomes some great ILB, right?

Because he’s some undrafted nobody that took zero investment.

Pulling for the guy, but I'm not getting excited yet. He played 15 snaps. Still think Martin is our guy there once he comes back. 

[pacman5252]

1 hour ago, Spartacus said:

The only one that concerns me a ton is Chandon Sullivan. I hope he didn't regress this year we really need that above average CB play. 

Sullivan graded low/mid 70s last year. Hopefully it’s just 1 game.

[Packerraymond]

Elgton Jenkins and Aaron Jones scores are laughable.

[Beast]

We need to upgrade CBs and DTs next off-season. Also get another young OT option.

[Arthur Penske]

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

Elgton Jenkins and Aaron Jones scores are laughable.

Especially Jenkins. Guy switches positions seamlessly. 

[MacReady]

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

Elgton Jenkins and Aaron Jones scores are laughable.

70 ish is not a bad score.  It’s within the realm of possibility.  Considering every single play is examined and scored, I’m willing to accept that Jenkins may have had a normal game with mostly good play.

Same with Jones.  
 

Are you willing to go back and look for yourself?  Because I would be interested in  counter opinions to the PFF scores.
 

Or, did you pay particular attention to either player throughout the game?  
 

Because this is a grade purely for the first week of the season.  Could Jenkins have played a stellar game with maybe one bad play that brought his score down?  Could Jones have left some yards on the field? 
 

Savage’s score seems appropriate considering the number of times he let receivers get behind him in spite of his speed.  Without having paid particular attention to really anybody in the game, I think the ratings seem within the realm of possibility.

I am doing this whole thing so there’s a record of weekly scores but also a record of progression and regression, if either occurs.  

[MacReady]

14 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

Especially Jenkins. Guy switches positions seamlessly. 

What does this have to do with a week 1 score though?  That he switched positions has no bearing on his rating for one week. A 70 on PFF is right around average for the league.  Actually, for a guard, a 60 is an average game.  Is it not plausible that Jenkins played exceptionally well for the majority of the game, but had a couple plays where he got beat?