Hunter2_1 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, JonStark said: You think it takes 5 seconds to relay the play call to the team, get everyone to the line, and get set? It takes longer, and by the time he gets the team set and can see the defense for the first time, there closer to 5-7 seconds on the clock. Before last week, Mcvay was holding Goff back from letting him get to the line with time to read the defense. We saw a change in that on Monday, so hopefully that continues. OK, there's 40 seconds play clock. They go into a huddle where the QB is receiving his playcall and is simultaneously calling it out to the huddle. That's why you see word...pause....word....pause. So then they break, they all know the call, and they get to the line. This is where your 10 seconds that you mentioned start. So what's this '5 seconds to replay the play call to the team' at this point? They all know the play, unless QB wants to change it. And even if there's 5-7 seconds, why is he getting DoG then? We've established McVay isn't in his ear at this point. The only way I can see DoG is from running out of time whilst changing the playcall. Edited November 29, 2020 by Hunter2_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, JonStark said: You think it takes 5 seconds to relay the play call to the team, get everyone to the line, and get set? It takes longer, and by the time he gets the team set and can see the defense for the first time, there closer to 5-7 seconds on the clock. Before last week, Mcvay was holding Goff back from letting him get to the line with time to read the defense. We saw a change in that on Monday, so hopefully that continues. Most QBs get the call way before 15 seconds. And they are given the freedom to communicate with the offense sooner McVay gives Goff too much info which includes, protection and cadences to the 15 second mark. By the time, Goff communicates that, it’s usually like 5 secs left then there is either a wr motion or Goff himself is assessing the defense to see if he should check out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 3 hours ago, JonStark said: You think it takes 5 seconds to relay the play call to the team, get everyone to the line, and get set? It takes longer, and by the time he gets the team set and can see the defense for the first time, there closer to 5-7 seconds on the clock. Before last week, Mcvay was holding Goff back from letting him get to the line with time to read the defense. We saw a change in that on Monday, so hopefully that continues. It's Goff. They do break the huddle late at times. That's on McVay. But when Goff tries to change the play or protections late in the clock in those scenarios, he needs more urgency. But a lot of the delays are happening when Goff has time and waits too long to make his change. It's fine. He's at least learning it. I don't see a lot of the other QBs around his age doing everything he does at the LOS with as much consistency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) There is so much wrong with this its insane.... 4 hours ago, stl4life07 said: I thought the debate about who is better Dak or Goff ended last season. You can say that Dak had his best season and the best supporting cast around him in the weak division. No you cant. You could say that in 2016... not last year. Last year our defense folded like a lawn chair, the special teams was worst in the NFL and the team basically quit on the coaching. Not to mention that our WRs led the NFL in drops. Quote Then on the other hand you can say Goff had his worst season under McVay and the worst supporting cast around him under McVay in the best division. Okay. But again you are giving the QB credit for team accomplishments. Quote The Rams had the better record than Dallas and if it wasnt for a missed FG in Seattle the Rams wouldve been (10-6) and making the playoffs. We can play the what if game both ways. For example if we didnt rely on Zeke we would have won against the Saints and Vikings. If we could have kicked a damn fieldgoal we would have beaten the Jets. If Dak wouldnt have been injured against your scrub team we would have beaten the Eagles. Quote Dallas was the same team last season as they were this season with Dak. Fall behind BIG early then Dak put up garbage stats to make it close but the end result is a loss. lol... I hate this completely ridiculous stance. We were never down more than 4 against you guys. Down by 1 with 10 seconds left in the half against the Hawks, down 2 in to start the 4th, took the lead. Giants we led by half. Browns and Falcons were both close in the 4th. None of those teams played prevent. All those games were winnable. Quote Goff and Dak both since 2017 have top 5-10 stats in passing yards and tds. Bulk stats are dumb. Efficiency is where its at. Quote The biggest difference is simple, Goff is 2nd in wins and Dak isnt anywhere close. Might have a losing record. I know he has a losing record the past two seasons. So no Dak isnt better than Goff. Again, you are using the Rams accomplishments to prop up your QB. Goff sucks so you have to rely on what the others around him do. Quote Goff isnt appreciated because many thought Wentz shouldve went 1st overall. Then the Hard Knocks bad impression. Then the fact the poor coach Fisher didnt even dress Goff Week 1 of his rookie season which was the first time in NFL history the 1st overall pick wasnt even active. Then the way really the entire season went for Goff under Fisher. The second McVay came on the scene you saw how Goff went from looking like the biggest bust in NFL history to exactly why he was taken 1st overall. He doesnt get the credit because prior to Goff, McVay help turn Cousins to a nobody to one of the highest paid QBs in the NFL. Still the youngest coach in the NFL McVay has taken the NFL by storm so any success Goff has is immediately looked at McVay. What people dont understand is that McVay offense might look simple but its really complicated. Even though Cousins had success with McVay, Cousins was still losing games especially primetime and/or big time games. Goff is winning those games. Ignoring this pity party. Quote Ill keep it simple, NFCCG Rams at Saints, would you trust Dak, Cousins, Ryan, or Jimmy G to come back and win down 0-13 entering the 2nd Q with literally the building falling apart because its so loud? Now the only QB on that list I trust is MAYBE Watson. I say maybe because Watson couldnt hold on to a 24-0 lead against the Chiefs. Goff did that and even though he didnt look good in the Superbowl and the Rams lost, I thought going to New Orleans and coming from behind to win was the biggest game and win in Goff career and that showed he is more than capable. Pretty much every QB wouldve gotten ran out of the building down 0-13 and its so loud Goff couldnt hear and the OL couldnt hear. Not to mention the refs werent calling penalities on the Saints all game long. Took until 5:30 in the 3rd quarter before the Saints got their first penalty. Not because the Saints were playing a clean game. It was because the refs missed so many calls on the Saints up until that point where the Saints finally got penalized. Yet Goff and the offense got composed, overcame all that was happening and came back to win that game with a 4th quarter drive to tie the game and the OT drive to win the game. ^^^ This is funny. Your entire first argument is that Dak sucks unless he is down... Followed by the argument that you wouldnt trust Dak if he is down. You are simply hating to hate and regurgitating non-sense. Edited November 29, 2020 by Matts4313 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drained Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, stl4life07 said: The Rams had the better record than Dallas and if it wasnt for a missed FG in Seattle the Rams wouldve been (10-6) and making the playoffs. How does this mean Goff is the better QB? Goff kicks field goals too? This is why wins and losses isn't a QB stat and no actual analyst sees it that way lol, or you just start a sliding slope, so is Watson worse than Newton this season? Mayfield better than Jackson? Big Ben better than Mahomes? A QB's wins and losses is a stupid stat, a QB could play lights out all season and its "well hes not as good as my QB that played undeniably worse because my QB has more wins" Edited November 29, 2020 by Drained 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, jrry32 said: It's Goff. They do break the huddle late at times. That's on McVay. But when Goff tries to change the play or protections late in the clock in those scenarios, he needs more urgency. But a lot of the delays are happening when Goff has time and waits too long to make his change. It's fine. He's at least learning it. I don't see a lot of the other QBs around his age doing everything he does at the LOS with as much consistency. Can you also just clarify something; Goff will be receiving the info in the huddle, and he'll be relaying that as it's coming in (this is generally how it's done, the OC/HC goes word by word slowly so it's repeatable) to the offense. Then the huddle breaks, and ALL members of the offense knows the play now. Then the comms cut off. So now Jared has approx. 15-7 seconds at the LOS. Everything after that is on him. If he wants to change, for example. Essentially, what I'm saying is, I don't understand how the original argument of "Goff has a lot of DoG because Mcvay is in his ear" is possible given the above. Is this fair? Edited November 29, 2020 by Hunter2_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: Can you also just clarify something; Goff will be receiving the info in the huddle, and he'll be relaying that as it's coming in (this is generally how it's done, the OC/HC goes word by word slowly so it's repeatable) to the offense. Then the huddle breaks, and ALL members of the offense knows the play now. Then the comms cut off. So now Jared has approx. 15-7 seconds at the LOS. Everything after that is on him. If he wants to change, for example. Essentially, what I'm saying is, I don't understand how the original argument of "Goff has a lot of DoG because Mcvay is in his ear" is possible given the above. Is this fair? What they're saying is sometimes McVay runs it all the way down in the huddle in Goff's ear. It's not a problem when he's at the LOS. But when they break the huddle at 15, it takes time to get to the LOS, get set, and then Goff have to make changes based on what he sees. But it's typically doable. Gotta have the urgency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Definitely taking Watson and Dak over Goff. Hard to say on the others as they are all mediocre at best QB's at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Putting this here so that all these "Goff is good because the Rams win" people can wake up: 4 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Jared Goff had 4 touchdowns and 9 turnovers in his past 4 games. The Rams were somehow just a last second field goal away from going 3-1 in the past 4 games 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Putting this here so that all these "Goff is good because the Rams win" people can wake up: *10 turnovers I missed one lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Putting this here so that all these "Goff is good because the Rams win" people can wake up: Doesn’t prove that Dak is any way, shape, or form better. that other guy is just a troll. He will get any chance to attack Goff. You’d think Goff stole the love of his life and used her for a one night stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: Doesn’t prove that Dak is any way, shape, or form better. Does help disprove the only argument that Goff has. Which is the rams, as a team, have done better than the Cowboys team. Because there is nothing that backs Goff the player being better than Dak on an individual level. Every stat/ranking/etc all lean Daks way. 4 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: that other guy is just a troll. He will get any chance to attack Goff. You’d think Goff stole the love of his life and used her for a one night stand Maybe he did. Goff is Cali playboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: Doesn’t prove that Dak is any way, shape, or form better. that other guy is just a troll. He will get any chance to attack Goff. You’d think Goff stole the love of his life and used her for a one night stand Haha no just amused by you Rams fans continuing to overrate the guy. But hey the guy is like a "young Tom Brady" if memory serves me correct on this forum in regards to Rams fans sucking off Goff on this forum 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Does help disprove the only argument that Goff has. Which is the rams, as a team, have done better than the Cowboys team. Because there is nothing that backs Goff the player being better than Dak on an individual level. Every stat/ranking/etc all lean Daks way. Maybe he did. Goff is Cali playboy. This is true. Least he scores somewhere Edited November 30, 2020 by rocky_rams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Typical Rams fan throws a tantrum when his beloved Jared Goff gets called out for sucking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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