Thelonebillsfan Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 4 hours ago, beekay414 said: Baseball is literally the only of the 4 major American pro sports that are actively shedding salary. Football hasn't at all, Basketball didn't whatsoever and Hockey, while some teams have put an internal cap in place, none of them have tried to shed money. The only hockey teams shedding money are one's pressed against the new flat cap. So what's the difference between baseball and the other 3 sports? Why can they all afford to pay their guys and not shed salary but baseball supposedly can't? And baseball owners are Obscenely rich. Some of the richest owners in all of pro sports. They don't care, at the end of the day these people just don't care. It's an investment, an asset to pad a portfolio not something any of these guys care about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 It's amazing the discounts you get on trades when you're the only team trying to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Why is baseball dying people ask as one of the marquee franchises in the sport trades a CYA pitcher for spare parts as way to shed payroll (but not too much payroll since they're eating some of it) despite having one of the richest owners. tbh, the issue isn't that the Ricketts sold Yu for pennies on the dollar. Baseball, or pro sports in general don't need every team spending balls to the wall to win in order to function, and if you need proof the Loria Marlins are as good a case study as you could want. The real issue is that 28 other owners looked at this deal and thought "no thanks I'll pass". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hrubes20 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 13 hours ago, pwny said: This is honestly the truth. I don't blame him one bit. 13 hours ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Anyone know something about these teenage prospects? All fairly well-regarded as far as lottery tickets go, but they are still just that, lottery tickets. 13 hours ago, pwny said: Yu is saying he hasn’t been contacted about being traded. What a complete embarrassment of a team. This is the part that really set me off. The trade itself was abysmal. But then you don't even contact the guy to let him know? That flies in the face of everything the FO did under Theo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: This is honestly the truth. I don't blame him one bit. All fairly well-regarded as far as lottery tickets go, but they are still just that, lottery tickets. This is the part that really set me off. The trade itself was abysmal. But then you don't even contact the guy to let him know? That flies in the face of everything the FO did under Theo. Baseball is a business just like any other. The only point of any business is to maximize profits. -Capitalsplainers who worship Milton Friedman Edited December 29, 2020 by redsoxsuck05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, hrubes20 said: All fairly well-regarded as far as lottery tickets go, but they are still just that, lottery tickets. If this was a normal trade, we could talk about Zach Davies. I think it's interesting that in an era of TJS and velocity, he is the epitome of a soft tosser with good enough results to make it work, and he's been traded a bunch now throughout his career. Ending up with the Cubs and combining him with Hendricks makes me wonder if there is a potential inefficiency there, and maybe it's worth going after the few guys who can soft toss without being scrubs. But when one team isn't even trying to win that all goes out the window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Baseball is a business just like any other. The only point of any business is to maximize profits. -Capitalsplainers who worship Milton Friedman BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH GAWD THAT'S ENGELS AND MARX'S MUSIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 It really is crazy that there's so many teams with so much money and there's more talent in the sport than ever before and yet what... 3 teams are trying to win? Maybe 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 13 hours ago, beekay414 said: Baseball is literally the only of the 4 major American pro sports that are actively shedding salary. Football hasn't at all, Basketball didn't whatsoever and Hockey, while some teams have put an internal cap in place, none of them have tried to shed money. The only hockey teams shedding money are one's pressed against the new flat cap. So what's the difference between baseball and the other 3 sports? Why can they all afford to pay their guys and not shed salary but baseball supposedly can't? It feels like MLB owners don't have the same drive to win that NFL owners do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, jrry32 said: It feels like MLB owners don't have the same drive to win that NFL owners do. It's just ridiculous because the NHL is nowhere near as profitable but they haven't shied away and none of them are dumping guys. Of course, the salary cap in the NHL is $81.5 Million and that would've been bottom 5 in payroll in MLB. Still, there's 41 home games in stadiums with 20,000 seats (much like basketball). Baseball has 81 in 35,000 seat stadiums and better TV contracts/revenue sharing. I don't know. I'm not going to pretend to understand the business side of things but it doesn't make sense that one sport is taking an entirely different approach than literally every other sport out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 13 hours ago, beekay414 said: Baseball is literally the only of the 4 major American pro sports that are actively shedding salary. Football hasn't at all, Basketball didn't whatsoever and Hockey, while some teams have put an internal cap in place, none of them have tried to shed money. The only hockey teams shedding money are one's pressed against the new flat cap. So what's the difference between baseball and the other 3 sports? Why can they all afford to pay their guys and not shed salary but baseball supposedly can't? Baseball is the only sport without a salary cap and a labor system designed around it. Even with Darvish, are the Cubs competitive? Probably not. That team needs at least two more pitchers and some bullpen help. And that is assuming that Rizzo and Bryant return to form. And even if that all happened, they're still not getting past the Dodgers, Padres, and whoever comes out of the NL East. So next offseason, Bryant and Rizzo leave, with Darvish getting older. So do they expend more money to try and stay competitive? No, of course not. Everyone rebuilds. Everyone. Even the damn Patriots are going to rebuild. This isnt just about money. This is an evaluation of the talent on the field and in the system. And it's simply not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Slateman said: Baseball is the only sport without a salary cap and a labor system designed around it. Even with Darvish, are the Cubs competitive? Probably not. That team needs at least two more pitchers and some bullpen help. And that is assuming that Rizzo and Bryant return to form. And even if that all happened, they're still not getting past the Dodgers, Padres, and whoever comes out of the NL East. So next offseason, Bryant and Rizzo leave, with Darvish getting older. So do they expend more money to try and stay competitive? No, of course not. Everyone rebuilds. Everyone. Even the damn Patriots are going to rebuild. This isnt just about money. This is an evaluation of the talent on the field and in the system. And it's simply not enough. You'd have a point if it was just the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Slateman said: Baseball is the only sport without a salary cap and a labor system designed around it. Even with Darvish, are the Cubs competitive? Probably not. That team needs at least two more pitchers and some bullpen help. And that is assuming that Rizzo and Bryant return to form. And even if that all happened, they're still not getting past the Dodgers, Padres, and whoever comes out of the NL East. So next offseason, Bryant and Rizzo leave, with Darvish getting older. So do they expend more money to try and stay competitive? No, of course not. Everyone rebuilds. Everyone. Even the damn Patriots are going to rebuild. This isnt just about money. This is an evaluation of the talent on the field and in the system. And it's simply not enough. If the Cubs decide to rebuild, fair enough. You can make that decision and be a competitively minded franchise. But if they decide to go that route, they can still prioritize spending money to get better prospects. They could have eaten more of Yu's contract to improve the return, they could have tendered Meatball a contract in the hope of trading him midseason if he could rebound, etc. etc. They didn't, because they valued profits over on-field talent. Plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breesus mode Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Please make the Ricketts go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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