RoellPreston88 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 John Schneider is Ted Thompson’s alter ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: You're missing the whole point of what I was trying to illustrate. The Packers are paying $22M to Aaron Rodgers. The Packers are currently paying their WRs nearly $23M, which is 8th most in the NFL. They're paying their TEs the 13th most at almost $9.7M. They're paying their OL nearly $31M, which is good for 14th. Compare that to the defense who we're paying 26th most at a bit over $16M. Our OLBs are the most highly paid OLBs in the NFL at nearly $30.6M while our ILB come in at a bit under $2M good for 27th in the NFL. Our CBs make $9.2M, which is good for 24th. Our safeties are making a combined $10.9M, which is good for 14th in the NFL. That's what I'm illustrating. If you're spending heavily at one position, you're going to have to save money elsewhere. The Packers have opted to stay cheap at RB, DL, and ILB. I acknowledge that the Packers are devoting more money to the D in 2017. But for obvious reasons, you're ignoring the indisputable fact that the Packers paid more in salary to the D between 2013-2016. Why is it so hard for some to admit that the Pack did NOT get commensurate value for all that money TT paid to the defense between 2013-2016 -- years in which the Pack’s spending on the D ranked 6th (2016), 9th (2015), 2nd (2014), and 9th (2013) overall among NFL teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: I acknowledge that the Packers are devoting more money to the D in 2017. But for obvious reasons, you're ignoring the indisputable fact that the Packers paid more in salary to the D between 2013-2016. Why is it so hard for some to admit that the Pack did NOT get commensurate value for all that money TT paid to the defense between 2013-2016 -- years in which the Pack’s spending on the D ranked 6th (2016), 9th (2015), 2nd (2014), and 9th (2013) overall among NFL teams? I agree with this...shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 It is clear that yes the defense has not performed to their paychecks over that time-frame. But more context is needed to determine why. As others have stated, losing players hurts tremendously. Like your $12million CB that is still counting against our cap this season but whose career is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 7 hours ago, squire12 said: When dropping Shields from the GB salary figures, are you doing the same for the other 31 teams that have lost a player to injury for the season? It was a transition from last year to this year. Losing Peppers also played a part in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: It is clear that yes the defense has not performed to their paychecks over that time-frame. But more context is needed to determine why. As others have stated, losing players hurts tremendously. Like your $12million CB that is still counting against our cap this season but whose career is over. Collins wouldn't be young anymore but he would have been prime then too. It is what it is. I'm just along for the ride. I've never found the blame game to be rewarding. I don't need the intellectual rewards of told you so's to enjoy sports. Hell this season might be as interesting as any for me.. Fun? No. Interesting. Heck yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 hours ago, RoellPreston88 said: John Schneider is Ted Thompson’s alter ego I'd really JS over TT since he left but he hasn't been stellar lately either. As much as I hate Pete personally I like what he generally gets out of his team. He convinces them all the world hates them and they play their tails off typically too. Mike seems like okay you're an adult play like one kinda guy to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: I'd really JS over TT since he left but he hasn't been stellar lately either. As much as I hate Pete personally I like what he generally gets out of his team. He convinces them all the world hates them and they play their tails off typically too. Mike seems like okay you're an adult play like one kinda guy to me one of those (the latter) is inherently more likely to handle success well. And that's the type you need with an elite QB IMO. One will get there, the other will keep you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, incognito_man said: one of those (the latter) is inherently more likely to handle success well. And that's the type you need with an elite QB IMO. One will get there, the other will keep you there. Yeah TT is more consistent. People like how John was hot in the draft for a while and made a couple big moves. I see both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The fit that would be thrown over that Seahawks offensive line by the Packer fan base would be legendary. Imagine 3-5 Quinten Rollins quality linemen in front of Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 11 hours ago, incognito_man said: one of those (the latter) is inherently more likely to handle success well. And that's the type you need with an elite QB IMO. One will get there, the other will keep you there. Keep you where exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoellPreston88 Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The fit that would be thrown over that Seahawks offensive line by the Packer fan base would be legendary. Imagine 3-5 Quinten Rollins quality linemen in front of Aaron Rodgers. Wasn’t our oline a mess in 2009? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 10 hours ago, NormSizedMidget said: Yeah TT is more consistent. People like how John was hot in the draft for a while and made a couple big moves. I see both sides. Schneider would still be my top choice to replace Ted Thompson. I don't know who's better .. I just think Schneider is way more aggressive and I would prefer that style. Seattle knew they had a major issue at tackle, so they acquire Duane Brown to fill the hole. Ted Thompson would not make a move like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 47 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: Schneider would still be my top choice to replace Ted Thompson. I don't know who's better .. I just think Schneider is way more aggressive and I would prefer that style. Seattle knew they had a major issue at tackle, so they acquire Duane Brown to fill the hole. Ted Thompson would not make a move like that. He'd also not give a first for Percy Harvin. But then again it for Jimmy. Second for him was spendy. I'm guessing they think they can win it all, obviously, but they need a tackle. 32 lt who was holding out for a new deal and you give a (2019) 2nd. Kid he replaced was a third rounder so he doesn't draft will... Kidding obviously. But you can pro con the hell out of these things. That being said I'd take John to replace him for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, RoellPreston88 said: Wasn’t our oline a mess in 2009? Sure it's had issues. But the point is he's getting praised for that trade when he was screwing up at that group before. But that's not the way it'll be portrayed at all but you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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