Buc Ball Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 How much of it was scheme and how much was execution today? There’s so many missed tackles and blown assignments. For example: - Kwon has a spy on Taylor, Taylor takes off, Kwon misses his tackle, first down and a huge gain. - McClain follows the post too far inside and leaves the wheel route wide open in his deep third. - Third and nine at the end, we miss 3 good opportunities to tackle the ball carrier. It included at least two over pursuits which allowed the runner to cut back. Theres also been a few that are bad calls. Think not having a flat defender in a third and long. They threw in the flat and picked it up. Our defensive problems are well documented, but our coaching staff has made some baffling decisions. Why was Noah Spence encouraged to lose 20lbs when he was pushed around in the run game all last season? Why do we persist with Conte? Why do none of our young players seem to be getting any better? Licht doesn’t have a contract after this year. He’s going to have to be bold to save this season and his job, but I just don’t see him firing Smith in season after what he did at the tail end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDandPEWTER Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Lil' Shorty said: So at what point will this team just quit? If grown *** men making millions quits. Then I'm done watching this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingone Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Buc Ball said: How much of it was scheme and how much was execution today? There’s so many missed tackles and blown assignments. For example: - Kwon has a spy on Taylor, Taylor takes off, Kwon misses his tackle, first down and a huge gain. - McClain follows the post too far inside and leaves the wheel route wide open in his deep third. - Third and nine at the end, we miss 3 good opportunities to tackle the ball carrier. It included at least two over pursuits which allowed the runner to cut back. Theres also been a few that are bad calls. Think not having a flat defender in a third and long. They threw in the flat and picked it up. Our defensive problems are well documented, but our coaching staff has made some baffling decisions. Why was Noah Spence encouraged to lose 20lbs when he was pushed around in the run game all last season? Why do we persist with Conte? Why do none of our young players seem to be getting any better? Licht doesn’t have a contract after this year. He’s going to have to be bold to save this season and his job, but I just don’t see him firing Smith in season after what he did at the tail end of last season. I think the mini bye really hurts Smith. Against the Pats, at least there was a hope of turning it around especially without Kwon and David. The last 2 weeks, the rush defense has been pathetic, they are still playing a lot of soft zone and getting beat over the top. The final nail in the coffin is the defense giving back the lead in 3 plays. They didn't even give Buffalo a chance to even make a mistake during that offensive drive. On that drive, a guy who I m sure Smith lobbied for in signing during training camp blew the coverage and got a personal foul on top of it. Mike Smith will join the list of Jim Bates and Jeff Jagodzinski, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDandPEWTER Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 It's easy to place blame on Mike Smith. But he even came out and said Hargreaves isn't being coached to play 10 yards off the ball. So at a point you need to hold players responsible as well. I hold licht responsible because of his lack of scouting ability toward the DL. He says he wants guys who love football. Well he signed the laziest SOB in swagger baker. Drafts an undersized Noah Spence who's better for a 3-4 rush LB then they tell him to slim down from 250 lbs when they say he needed to hold up against the run better. It all starts up front. If we lack pressure off the edge, the secondary's job becomes a lot more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, REDandPEWTER said: It all starts up front. If we lack pressure off the edge, the secondary's job becomes a lot more difficult. Absolutely. Nobody can cover for four or five seconds at a time. And that happened a lot today. But you also have to look at the scheme. More than once they called the perfect play to hit a big one against us. Our tendencies are either completely transparent with our alignments or they know how we're gonna line up against specific formations. Or they know what we're gonna do based on personnel. Once or twice is luck. Any more than that becomes a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDandPEWTER Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: Absolutely. Nobody can cover for four or five seconds at a time. And that happened a lot today. But you also have to look at the scheme. More than once they called the perfect play to hit a big one against us. Our tendencies are either completely transparent with our alignments or they know how we're gonna line up against specific formations. Or they know what we're gonna do based on personnel. Once or twice is luck. Any more than that becomes a pattern. Ehh scheme maybe. I think a lot of it is execution too. We didn't do a good job improving the talent up front either. That falls on licht. I say there's an 80% chance we see mike smith taking his walking papers tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, REDandPEWTER said: Ehh scheme maybe. I think a lot of it is execution too. We didn't do a good job improving the talent up front either. That falls on licht. I say there's an 80% chance we see mike smith taking his walking papers tomorrow. Scheme left O'Leary wide open up the seam. That was the void in the zone. Scheme left Ward in the dust on that wheel route because there was nobody over the top. Scheme left someone wide open in the flats on a different third down. But it didn't give Tygod all day in the pocket. Scheme didn't let Tygod scramble for a million yards on third in the first half. That was Kwon. And scheme didn't pull McClain inside too far for the biggest play of the game, or force like seven missed tackles on the biggest third down of the game. We made plenty of mistakes. There's no doubt. We can't win games blowing so many coverages and missing so many tackles. But the scheme accounted for the other half of why they moved the ball at will just as well as we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2018 draft, here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 One positive is that we've got two division games coming up. If we somehow win both, we're 4-4 and 2-0 in the division. All hope is not lost yet. But it's not gonna be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibucsfan Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Lil' Shorty said: Let the disunity begin. Great job Mike Smith. Let's keep starting Conte. The same TJ Ward that got turned around and burned/scored by a 2nd string TE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: 2018 draft, here we come. as much as i want a DE or CB SaQuon would be real nice, REAL nice then just trade dougie for a 3rd and boooom , in businesssss #madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said: as much as i want a DE or CB SaQuon would be real nice, REAL nice then just trade dougie for a 3rd and boooom , in businesssss #madden Barkley would make our offense unstoppable. Then it wouldn't matter that we give up 30 points per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: Barkley would make our offense unstoppable. Then it wouldn't matter that we give up 30 points per game. yeah, id sacrifice some defense for Barkley and then after him we can go CB,DE ... the rest of the draft , which was my plan all along lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Shorty Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 hours ago, ravishingone said: the more the evening goes,by, the more I believe Mike Smith will be fired by Monday. Agreed. As horrible as this team has been, we are only 2 games back in the division with 6 division games to be played. I'm not saying we'll win our or anything crazy, but if Licht and Koetter want to earn another year on the Bucs, they probably see this season as salvageable if the proper changes are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lil' Shorty said: Agreed. As horrible as this team has been, we are only 2 games back in the division with 6 division games to be played. I'm not saying we'll win our or anything crazy, but if Licht and Koetter want to earn another year on the Bucs, they probably see this season as salvageable if the proper changes are made. might be better for the team if they dont earn another year on board everything went down hill fast for Licht after Aquayo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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