Apparition Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, SalvadorsDeli said: Dunno who I'd compare the Ravens to. Maybe the San Antonio Spurs? They do have 3 more rings than us so it's not a perfect comparison. But both are small-market teams that have been largely been contenders for the past 2 decades thanks to continuity and competence in the FO, early adoptees in their respective sports of incorporating analytics into their decision-making, a couple of Hall of Fame-caliber cornerstones to build around, and a college-program developmental approach and system. Colorado Avalanche. Relocated from what was thought to be stronghold for their sport, to a new city in the mid-90s under contentious circumstances, then won a championship in short order, and another one a few years later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Starless said: Yeah, there's an argument to be made for several Jags players to be in the HOF. But with the Mariners we're talking about multiple guys having played there in their prime who are in the conversation for GOAT at their positions. Griffey, Edgar Martinez and Randy Johnson are easily in the top-3 in baseball history at the CF, DH and LHP positions. Ichiro was the best contact hitter of his era. Nobody in Jags history comes close to equaling those guys. If you’re looking for a exact representation that checks every single box, you’re not going to get any examples that match for any team. The example you’re pulling for the Chargers is a team that is 19th in all time win percentage among active teams, one that has made the playoffs 7 times since the turn of the century, and has had 4 losing seasons since 2003, yet won five divisional titles. The only real connection between them is they had really good players and didn’t win a title. Meanwhile, the Mariners have the 4th worst all time win percentage (the Jaguars are 3rd worst), have never been to the World Series (Jaguars neither with Super Bowl), have three trips and failures in the ALCS (Jaguars have 3 in AFCCG), have won their division three times in the entire history of the franchise (Jaguars have 3), have finished last in their division 8 times since the glory years ended (Jaguars have 8 ). Comparing francises, these two are very in line with one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Just now, pwny said: If you’re looking for a exact representation that checks every single box, you’re not going to get any examples that match for any team. The example you’re pulling for the Chargers is a team that is 19th in all time win percentage among active teams, one that has made the playoffs 7 times since the turn of the century, and has had 4 losing seasons since 2003, yet won five divisional titles. The only real connection between them is they had really good players and didn’t win a title. Meanwhile, the Mariners have the 4th worst all time win percentage (the Jaguars are 3rd worst), have never been to the World Series (Jaguars neither with Super Bowl), have three trips and failures in the ALCS (Jaguars have 3 in AFCCG), have won their division three times in the entire history of the franchise (Jaguars have 3), have finished last in their division 8 times since the glory years ended (Jaguars have 8 ). Comparing francises, these two are very in line with one another. Again, look at how much tougher it has been for most of history to make the postseason in baseball versus the NFL. Baseball didn't even have wild card teams until 1994, so even a team like the '93 Giants, which won 103 games, got kept out of the postseason. Even after that, it was just an 8-team playoff field until very recently. Meanwhile in the NFL, simply having a winning season means you have a better than 50/50 chance of making the postseason (and in many years, that hasn't even been a requirement). The Mariners have had a bunch of winning seasons in which they haven't made the postseason because of that playoff system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Starless said: Again, look at how much tougher it has been for most of history to make the postseason in baseball versus the NFL. Baseball didn't even have wild card teams until 1994, so even a team like the '93 Giants, which won 103 games, got kept out of the postseason. Even after that, it was just an 8-team playoff field until very recently. Meanwhile in the NFL, simply having a winning season means you have a better than 50/50 chance of making the postseason (and in many years, that hasn't even been a requirement). The Mariners have had a bunch of winning seasons in which they haven't made the postseason because of that playoff system. The Mariners have 7 seasons since their last playoff appearance that they have been over .500. Taking your 50/50, they would have made the playoffs three and a half times since the 2001 season. Guess which NFL team has been to the playoffs three times since 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, pwny said: The Mariners have 7 seasons since their last playoff appearance that they have been over .500. Taking your 50/50, they would have made the playoffs three and a half times since the 2001 season. Guess which NFL team has been to the playoffs three times since 2001. Except you're not supposed to take that literally! lol If baseball used the NFL playoff system, the Mariners would've made the postseason 6 times since 2001. The Chargers have made the playoffs 7 times in that same span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Starless said: Except you're not supposed to take that literally! lol If baseball used the NFL playoff system, the Mariners would've made the postseason 6 times since 2001. The Chargers have made the playoffs 7 times in that same span. That's just completely incorrect. 2002 - would have the tiebreaker over Boston for the 5 seed. In 2003 - 5 seed. In 2004 - 13th in AL. Out 2005 - 12th in AL. Out 2006 - 11th in AL. Out 2007 - Would have lost the tiebreaker over Detroit, and gotten the 6 seed. In 2008 - 14th in AL Out 2009 - 7th in AL. Out 2010 - 14th in AL. Out 2011 - 13th in AL. Out 2012 - 9th in AL. Out 2013 - 12th in AL. Out 2014 - Would have the 6 seed. In 2015 - 13th in AL. Out 2016 - Would have lost the tiebreaker for the 6th seed to Detroit, finishing 7th. Out 2017 - 9th in AL. Out 2018 - 7th in AL. Out 2019 - 11th in AL. Out 2020 - 9th in AL. Out That's 4, not 6. Just above the 3.5, and Jaguars’ 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 On 6/3/2021 at 12:09 PM, Starless said: The Chargers are the Seattle Mariners. A prennial loser franchise that's wasted the careers of some of the most exciting talent in league history, and had some of the worst luck in all of sports. Too real Starless.... too real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 I think the "success" and franchise trajectory with the Mariners and Jags fit, but the thematic fit for the 2000s Chargers and M's 1995-2001 fits better. The coolness and generational talents falling short is pretty on point. Losing to the Patriots x2. Pittsburgh, Jets x2 is pretty on par with Seattle losing to the Yankees x2, Orioles, Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 hours ago, ET80 said: I didn't compare David Ortiz to Slay, silly. Former Mariner, David Ortiz. It HURTS so bad whenever this is brought up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 Damian Lilliard Blazers = Andy Dalton Bengals Playoff regulars, but never gets past the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, biggie. said: Damian Lilliard Blazers = Andy Dalton Bengals Playoff regulars, but never gets past the first round. They were in the WCF 2 seasons ago in 2019. They also won their first round matchups in two other seasons since 2014. I get the idea behind the comparison but the Bengals, Dalton specifically, regularly showed up and put forth terrible performances that kept his team from advancing. Dame hasn't always been great in the playoffs, but he has had games and series where he was playing great basketball and without him they probably wouldn't be a playoff team at all. Dame wasn't regularly the reason you would point to and say if he plays better they are legit contenders to make a deep run. At least not in the sense of asking him to do something realistic and not go prime MJ in the playoffs. You could have swapped Dalton out with another fringe top half of the league starting QB and the results would have been largely the same. Swap out Dalton for one of the truly great QBs during that time and the Bengals probably win a couple playoff games at least. I wouldn't agree that you could swap Dame with just any average starting PG and the Blazers are in the same spot, and even if you swap him out for a star not named LeBron or Durant and I'm not sure the Blazers reach more than the one WCF they made during Dame's time in Portland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Johnson Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I'm trying to think of a comparison for the Browns in the NBA and I'm leaning towards the Milwaukee Bucks. 70s Bucks were like the 60s Browns. 1 championship, made the playoffs perennially. 80s Browns and Bucks both perennial playoff teams that came up short. 90-2000s Bucks were like the 2000s-2010 Browns. Flat out suck. Now both teams are pretty good. The Bucks have Oscar Robertson and Kareem. The Browns have Jim Brown and a slew of Hall of famers from the 40s-60s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 19 hours ago, ET80 said: I didn't compare David Ortiz to Slay, silly. Edgar was better, but it's still debatable. The biggest argument in favor of Ortiz is the market he played in, and the success his team had. 19 hours ago, pwny said: I present to you the Jacksonville Jaguars. I thought about Jacksonville, but just a short few years ago they were one game away from a Superbowl. 19 hours ago, Starless said: Not even the best DH ever to be in the Mariners system. See above. 19 hours ago, Starless said: In fairness, it's historically been much easier to make the playoffs in the NFL than in the MLB. Yeah but the Mariners have squandered so many chances to make the playoffs with good rosters it's actually insane. They literally wasted the entire career of one of the best pitchers this game has ever seen because they couldn't provide him a damn offense until it was too late in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Eli's giants = EYBS SF giants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Stallyns Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 10:18 AM, Blackstar12 said: Don’t know who the Colts would be maybe maybe the Dirk lead Mavs? Both had lots of 12/60 win teams. Both kept getting denied by the Spurs/Pats. They both could’ve had more rings 06 NBA Finals, 09 SB. I was thinking more along the lines of the Malone/Stockton Utah Jazz but this one is probably just as good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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