AkronsWitness Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 hours ago, notthatbluestuff said: Not a top 10 coach = trash? This is a online opinionated message board community that is a decent phone app away from being a social media platform....so yes. If your not top 10 you suck at everything and your replaceable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets4716 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Kyle Shanahan is 29-35 as HC yet people are ranking him as a top 5 HC? He gets so much hype as a coach with little substance. Yes hes a good offensive mind but if you are going to be a top 5 HC can you at least have a winning record? This is 4 years as a HC as well. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets4716 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 19 hours ago, The BILLievers said: Before McDermott the Bills had the longest playoff draught in the NFL. In McDermott's first 4 years, we made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times. He's completely changed the culture and should be top 5 in most lists IMO. I agree, idk how hes listed under Shanahan. He actually has a winning record as a HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Rider Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I don't really get all the Shanahan love here. He is 29-35 in the last 4 years (with a SB loss and 3 losing seasons) while Sean McDermott is 38-26 with 3 playoff appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsch80 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, The Third Rider said: I don't really get all the Shanahan love here. He is 29-35 in the last 4 years (with a SB loss and 3 losing seasons) while Sean McDermott is 38-26 with 3 playoff appearances. I mean to be fair the Niners have had a rough go the last 3 years with injuries. He is unquestionably a top tier offensive mind in the game and that's not really debatable but I guess you could bring into question his ability to get the best out of his players. Harbaugh is the perfect example of a top tier head coach who knows what to say to get the best out of his teams regardless. He isn't a great offensive or defensive mind but he knows how to lead the men on his team, that is a very underrated aspect of being a head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 To be fair, record isn’t everything. How would McDermott do having to constantly start Mullens, Beathard at QB etc for like 2 out of 3 seasons for example? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets4716 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 22 minutes ago, Letsch80 said: I mean to be fair the Niners have had a rough go the last 3 years with injuries. He is unquestionably a top tier offensive mind in the game and that's not really debatable but I guess you could bring into question his ability to get the best out of his players. Harbaugh is the perfect example of a top tier head coach who knows what to say to get the best out of his teams regardless. He isn't a great offensive or defensive mind but he knows how to lead the men on his team, that is a very underrated aspect of being a head coach. You have Shanahan above a lot of coaches who have much longer track records and better ones. Shanahan is a bright offensive mind, no doubt. But so far as a HC he has a losing record. A HC at the end of the day is judged on winning games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: To be fair, record isn’t everything. How would McDermott do having to constantly start Mullens, Beathard at QB etc for like 2 out of 3 seasons for example? After 4 seasons I feel like it's pretty fair.. You mean Nate Peterman, rookie Josh Allen and Tyrod Taylor? The Bills defense (McDermotts strength) carried the Bills teams the first 3 out of 4 seasons; last season was the first good/elite offense McDermotts ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets4716 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: After 4 seasons I feel like it's pretty fair.. You mean Nate Peterman, rookie Josh Allen and Tyrod Taylor? The Bills defense (McDermotts strength) carried the Bills teams the first 3 out of 4 seasons; last season was the first good/elite offense McDermotts ever had. As a Jets fan, I agree. The Bills were a joke for a couple decades. McDermott has turned that team into a well coached squad that has competed for the playoffs 3 out of 4 years hes been there. McDermott has produced more than Shannahan in his 4 years easily. Hes just not the sexy offensive mind everyone wants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: After 4 seasons I feel like it's pretty fair.. You mean Nate Peterman, rookie Josh Allen and Tyrod Taylor? The Bills defense (McDermotts strength) carried the Bills teams the first 3 out of 4 seasons; last season was the first good/elite offense McDermotts ever had. Fair - but McD’s area of expertise is the defense; Shanny’s is the offense. Shanny had to start third-stringers as the centerpiece of his offense two out of three years. I even rank McDermott in my top 10, but I can’t rank him ahead of Super Bowl winners/Super Bowl finalists/coaches who’ve never had a losing record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, NYJets4716 said: As a Jets fan, I agree. The Bills were a joke for a couple decades. McDermott has turned that team into a well coached squad that has competed for the playoffs 3 out of 4 years hes been there. McDermott has produced more than Shannahan in his 4 years easily. Hes just not the sexy offensive mind everyone wants. The guy has featured in every poster’s list so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJets4716 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: The guy has featured in every poster’s list so far. But below guys like Shanahan who he has outproduced because Shanahan is the sexy offensive mind. My point stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 10:45 AM, biggie. said: Belichick McDermott Harbaugh Reid Carroll Rivera Flores Vrabel McVay Arians No order. also no shanahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1. Belichick 2. Reid 3. Payton 4. Shanahan 5. Harbaugh 6. McDermott 7. Arians 8. Tomlin 9. McVay 10. Rivera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, NYJets4716 said: But below guys like Shanahan who he has outproduced because Shanahan is the sexy offensive mind. My point stands. Assuming a healthy roster, I'm taking Shanahan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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