TENINCH Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Forge said: Supporting data? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-linebacker-rankings-entering-2021-nfl-season Showing there is more than one way to get it done, Eric Kendricks played a more conventional college position than Warner but has been the other superstar linebacker in coverage over the past couple of years. Including the playoffs, Kendricks has 17 pass breakups and the highest PFF coverage grade among all linebackers (91.7) over the past two seasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, TENINCH said: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-linebacker-rankings-entering-2021-nfl-season Showing there is more than one way to get it done, Eric Kendricks played a more conventional college position than Warner but has been the other superstar linebacker in coverage over the past couple of years. Including the playoffs, Kendricks has 17 pass breakups and the highest PFF coverage grade among all linebackers (91.7) over the past two seasons I actually was just reading this 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Bobby Wagner is a good dude.  6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Why is this whole thread pretty much a Wagner or whoever vs Warner thread. It's crazy because the players themselves love seeing other players get paid. All these guys are great players and are playing a dangerous sport. They all deserve elite money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, showtime said: Why is this whole thread pretty much a Wagner or whoever vs Warner thread. It's crazy because the players themselves love seeing other players get paid. All these guys are great players and are playing a dangerous sport. They all deserve elite money. I love that he mentioned in his interview that he was happy for the position. It's a marginalized position in terms of money and recognition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Forge said: I love that he mentioned in his interview that he was happy for the position. It's a marginalized position in terms of money and recognition. It's become the HB of defense. Can't say unjustly either. With how the game has evolved, LB just isn't the impact position it once was. Unless you have a Kuechly, Lewis, etc type of HOF talent or an elite coverage specialist like Warner- you really shouldn't be investing big money at the position. Drafting one high who isn't a near flawless prospect is a dubious venture as well. A 1st Round Pick flaming out will always sting, but identifying a talent like Fred Warner just as Reuben Foster is red flagging himself out the door has to feel like appreciated recompense from their FO to 49er fans. Warner seems like a great kid who will enjoy a strong career with the other foundational players on that Niner defense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, TENINCH said: Hes not though. Kendricks is the best coverage linebacker and Wagner hasn't done anything to lose his spot. Warner has two 90 plus coverage grades the last two seasons via that PFF article you referenced. Does Kendrick also have by their metrics? What's his career coverage grade? He had the highest seen the past two years, but Kendricks has been in the league a while. Regardless, even in their total metrics Warner is ranked higher entering the season. Also helps that Warner doesn't miss games. Edited July 22, 2021 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) Curious to see what Darius Leonard will get now. Edited July 22, 2021 by TecmoSuperJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Warner has two 90 plus coverage grades the last two seasons via that PFF article you referenced. Does Kendrick also have by their metrics? What's his career coverage grade? He had the highest seen the past two years, but Kendricks has been in the league a while. Regardless, even in their total metrics Warner is ranked higher entering the season. Also helps that Warner doesn't miss games. https://vikingsterritory.com/2021/general-news/eric-kendricks-has-consistent-ranking-among-2021-lbs He has the highest PFF Grade (90.6) of all linebackers since 2019, and was tied for first among all linebackers in interceptions last year with a career-high three picks despite missing five games. Even with missed time, he still recorded 107 combined tackles, as he is an important piece in stopping the run as well. According to Ben Goessling of the Star Tribune, the Vikings gave up at least 390 yards in four of their final five games last season with Kendricks out due to injury, and allowed 463 rushing yards in back-to-back losses to the Bears and Saints. No linebacker has recorded more passes defended over the past five seasons than Kendricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 18 hours ago, N4L said: Next Gen Stats' top 10 coverage players in 2020: 49ers LB Fred Warner crashes DB-heavy rankings (nfl.com) There were only three players in the NFL who had better coverage than warner did in 2020. Thats not among LBs. Thats among all players. This isnt some subjective list, it is based purely analytics. I know its probably hard for you to watch a lot of 49ers games as a two team homer, but acting like its crazy that warner is the best coverage LB in the NFL, when the numbers make it abundantly clear is laughable (from 2019, but still) Alright fair enough but can we just talk about how awful of a post(?) route that was? If it's a dig route, it's terrible because he's drifting up field. If it's a post route, it's terrible because he damn near stopped to make to his 45 degree angle cut lol I'm not surprised Warner stayed with him - at no point did Brown do anything to garner separation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Ahhh, the luxury of not only finding but having legit LB's on your roster for decades. Must be nice. Maybe one of these days Howie will appreciate or take the position seriously at some point? Worth every penny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny/Patrick Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: Ahhh, the luxury of not only finding but having legit LB's on your roster for decades. Must be nice. Maybe one of these days Howie will appreciate or take the position seriously at some point? Worth every penny. Willis,Borland,Bowman,Foster,Warner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Manny/Patrick said: Willis,Borland,Bowman,Foster,Warner So you just felt the need to rub it in? Thanks. 😎🥃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny/Patrick Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Nabbs4u said: So you just felt the need to rub it in? Thanks. 😎🥃 I’ll take your championship for them 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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