Raiders sign LB K.J. Wright

[Frankie2Gunz]

4 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

If Watson's offensive line, weapons, and defense were far superior to ours like you keep saying yet they won 4 games and we won 8, that has to mean Carr is twice as good as Watson. 

https://imgur.com/a/vNefuE2

Here is a scatter plot of sack rate and time to throw the ball.  Watson had more time to throw yet more sacks.  Care to explain why Watson had twice as many scaks with more time to throw?

Do you actually watch football and if so can you comprehend the complexities of the game or do you just like to spout out worthless stats that lack context? 

 

[Frankie2Gunz]

1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

We're definitely not one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Far from it actually, but go off I guess.

Have we improved, in my opinion yes we have but improving from what we have isn't saying much.

What proven talent do we actually have in your opinion?

[NYRaider]

11 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

https://imgur.com/a/vNefuE2

Here is a scatter plot of sack rate and time to throw the ball.  Watson had more time to throw yet more sacks.  Care to explain why Watson had twice as many scaks with more time to throw?

Do you actually watch football and if so can you comprehend the complexities of the game or do you just like to spout out worthless stats that lack context? 

Sam Darnold, Gardner Minshew, and Carson Wentz all had more average time to throw the ball then Carr did last season. Do you think that the Jets, Jaguars, and Eagles offensive lines were better than ours last season? According to that chart Carr's average time to throw was like 2.78 seconds and Watson's was 2.85, lol. 

Wentz had the 5th most time to throw the ball yet had by far the highest sack rate in the league. Why? Because his receivers weren't getting open so he was holding onto the ball longer, thus getting sacked more. 

You're referencing mili second differences in throw time as your key point as to why their OL was better than ours. Carr was kept clean all season, he only got sacked 22 times. The Raiders averaged 30 more rushing yards per game and had double the amount of rushing TD, we averaged 120 rushing yards and had 20 TD, they averaged 90 rushing yards and had 10 TD. 

Watson's .005 milliseconds of longer throw time can also be attributed to the fact that he's one of the best QB's in the league at avoiding pressure in the pocket and making plays outside of the structure of the offense. Even when the OL broke down he was able to escape, hold onto the ball, then find a target down field. 

[NYRaider]

14 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

Have we improved, in my opinion yes we have but improving from what we have isn't saying much.

So we've improved a team that won 8 games despite having one of the worst defenses in NFL history yet we're going to be worse then a team that won 4 games last season with an elite QB, makes sense. 

[Jeremy408]

Just now, NYRaider said:

So we've improved a team that won 8 games despite having one of the worst defenses in NFL history yet we're going to be worse then a team that won 4 games last season with an elite QB, makes sense. 

This is not a small thing right here. They were 8-8 despite teams scoring with 30 or more seconds on multiple occasions. That is a key aspect to this whole conversation

[drfrey13]

7 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

Have we improved, in my opinion yes we have but improving from what we have isn't saying much.

What proven talent do we actually have in your opinion?

Nobody is saying we have top 10 talent.  What we are saying is or talent level is much improved from last year and we are closer to average than we are to bottom 5.  The biggest change is getting rid of Guenther.  Our defense had an average ranking of 21st the 3 years prior to him getting here.  That number rose to 29th the 3 years he was here.  So either Mack was that good or Guenther that bad.  I would say our talent level this year is better than 2017 when we gave up 23 points a game.  That alone makes us a playoff team if Carr and the offense can produce like last year.

LDE	Mario Edwards			Maxx Crosby
LDT	Eddie Vanderdoes			Gerald McCoy
RDT	Justin Ellis			Johnathan Hankins
RDE	Khalil Mack*			Yannick Ngakoue
LLB	Bruce Irvin			K.J. Wright
MLB	NaVorro Bowman			Denzel Perryman
RLB	Cory James			Cory Littleton
LCB	David Amerson			Trayvon Mullen
RCB	T.J. Carrie			Casey Hayward
SS	Karl Joseph			Johnathan Abram
FS	Reggie Nelson			Moehrig Trevon

 

Which roster are you taking?  The 2017 team had 3 players I would take over their 2021 counterparts.

[Frankie2Gunz]

7 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

This is not a small thing right here. They were 8-8 despite teams scoring with 30 or more seconds on multiple occasions. That is a key aspect to this whole conversation

They won 8 games with a roster that should have won 4, a lot of that success has to be attributed to Carr. 

My point is that our ceiling is 8 if all things fall into place and 6 if our roster wins on their talent level.  

[NYRaider]

14 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

This is not a small thing right here. They were 8-8 despite teams scoring with 30 or more seconds on multiple occasions. That is a key aspect to this whole conversation

We were 3-7 when our opponent scored 30+ and 5-1 when our opponent scored under 30, with the only loss being the Dolphins game where Key and Arnette melted down with 17 seconds left. 

[Jeremy408]

1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

They won 8 games with a roster that should have won 4, a lot of that success has to be attributed to Carr. 

My point is that our ceiling is 8 if all things fall into place and 6 if our roster wins on their talent level.  

I guess my question then is why would you say the Texans (who went 4-12 with a quarterback that outperformed Derek Carr in every category) had a better roster last year than the Raiders?

is your take that the Texans should’ve won more?

 

[NYRaider]

5 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

They won 8 games with a roster that should have won 4, a lot of that success has to be attributed to Carr. 

But wins/losses shouldn't be attached to the QB?

[Jeremy408]

Just now, NYRaider said:

But wins/losses shouldn't be attached to the QB?

I don’t think so

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said:

I guess my question then is why would you say the Texans (who went 4-12 with a quarterback that outperformed Derek Carr in every category) had a better roster last year than the Raiders?

is your take that the Texans should’ve won more?

The Texans are an outlier team, there's a reason that Watson is refusing to play this season, they're a dumpster fire. BOB was the head coach/GM who had made a ton of questionable personnel decisions in the year prior and was on the hot seat. They started the season with games against the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, and Vikings then fired him. Before their bye week in week 8 they were 1-6 with losses to the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, Packers, and Titans, that's a murders row schedule. 

[Frankie2Gunz]

14 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Sam Darnold, Gardner Minshew, and Carson Wentz all had more average time to throw the ball then Carr did last season. Do you think that the Jets, Jaguars, and Eagles offensive lines were better than ours last season? According to that chart Carr's average time to throw was like 2.78 seconds and Watson's was 2.85, lol. 

Wentz had the 5th most time to throw the ball yet had by far the highest sack rate in the league. Why? Because his receivers weren't getting open so he was holding onto the ball longer, thus getting sacked more. 

You're referencing mili second differences in throw time as your key point as to why their OL was better than ours. Carr was kept clean all season, he only got sacked 22 times. The Raiders averaged 30 more rushing yards per game and had double the amount of rushing TD, we averaged 120 rushing yards and had 20 TD, they averaged 90 rushing yards and had 10 TD. 

Watson's .005 milliseconds of longer throw time can also be attributed to the fact that he's one of the best QB's in the league at avoiding pressure in the pocket and making plays outside of the structure of the offense. Even when the OL broke down he was able to escape, hold onto the ball, then find a target down field. 

Let's say the amount of time to throw was even, as you point out he had 50 sacks as opposed to 24 for Carr.  Are you saying that is all on the Online? LOL 

You point out Carr was "kept clean" all season.  What are you basing that off of and how much of that "cleanliness" is attributed to Carr snap to throw time?

 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said:

I don’t think so

He always says wins/losses can't be attributed to the QB yet says Carr was the reason we won 8 games, you can't have it both ways.

[Jeremy408]

1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

The Texans are an outlier team, there's a reason that Watson is refusing to play this season, they're a dumpster fire. BOB was the head coach/GM who had made a ton of questionable personnel decisions in the year prior and was on the hot seat. They started the season with games against the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, and Vikings then fired him. Before their bye week in week 8 they were 1-6 with losses to the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, Packers, and Titans, that's a murders row schedule. 

So are you saying that the Texans lost because the schedule or because they’re a bad team?