Post Game Thoughts- Chargers.

[vikesfan89]

Should we talk about them going for a fake punt on their side of the field on 4th and long? 

[vikingsrule]

35 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said:

Should we talk about them going for a fake punt on their side of the field on 4th and long? 

Would be more effective if they could get Kene in that role permanently. Otherwise, there no point running fakes with him as it will be a dead give away as to what is happening.

[JDBrocks]

24 minutes ago, vikingsrule said:

Would be more effective if they could get Kene in that role permanently. Otherwise, there no point running fakes with him as it will be a dead give away as to what is happening.

...it's his second game. 

[SemperFeist]

14 hours ago, SemperFeist said:

Kirk Cousins about to be PFF’s #1 ranked QB

So close! 

[twslhs20]

5 hours ago, vikingsrule said:

Disappointing to think what could have been if this team had maybe 2 more wins, AZ and Baltimore being two games where they were so close to pulling out wins. Hopefully they learned something and start putting teams away. No reason they shouldn’t win 4 of the next 5.

9ers and Pitt are wildcards, but it's doable.

[vikingsrule]

4 minutes ago, twslhs20 said:

9ers and Pitt are wildcards, but it's doable.

SF is a mess this year but playing on the west coast is always a disadvantage. MN always plays inconsistently in Chicago so that game will probably be unnecessarily close. 
 

Who knows with Pitt. Big Ben hasn’t been good this year, I see them tending down this point forward. 

[PrplChilPill]

It's good when they win.

It is 2021, it should not be a well kept secret that you pass to set up the run.....so it was good it happened yesterday.

[Robb_K]

I was glad to see Zimmer finally realise that he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by letting the offence do what they are capable of doing.  Klint Kubiak could NOT have suddenly had everything click for him in in the first 2 series of the previous game, and in The entire Chargers' game.  Clearly, Gary has helped Klint set up the pre-game orchestrated first series play calls, and a Vikings' coach was assigned to help Klint make the calls during The Chargers' game,  OR, Klint was always capable of making decent calls, but wasn't allowed to, by Zimmer telling him what his extremely conservative, restrictive rules were, and that he'd be fired if he broke them during a game. - And because Zimmer's job was now hanging by a thread, and he was worried that a player rebellion was on the way, which would get him fired instantly, he decided to let Klint call plays to let the offence play the way they were capable of doing.

[SteelKing728]

I'll catch the game next week. Must not have been such a bad day for us.

[vikesfan89]

9 minutes ago, Robb_K said:

I was glad to see Zimmer finally realise that he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by letting the offence do what they are capable of doing.  Klint Kubiak could NOT have suddenly had everything click for him in in the first 2 series of the previous game, and in The entire Chargers' game.  Clearly, Gary has helped Klint set up the pre-game orchestrated first series play calls, and a Vikings' coach was assigned to help Klint make the calls during The Chargers' game,  OR, Klint was always capable of making decent calls, but wasn't allowed to, by Zimmer telling him what his extremely conservative, restrictive rules were, and that he'd be fired if he broke them during a game. - And because Zimmer's job was now hanging by a thread, and he was worried that a player rebellion was on the way, which would get him fired instantly, he decided to let Klint call plays to let the offence play the way they were capable of doing.

It could just be that Kubiak is still learning on the job and he finally found something that worked this game

[vikesfan89]

1 minute ago, SteelKing728 said:

I'll catch the game next week. Must not have been such a bad day for us.

Just a long as you didn't tape it over your wedding video

[Robb_K]

On 11/15/2021 at 9:34 AM, vikesfan89 said:

It could just be that Kubiak is still learning on the job and he finally found something that worked this game

I really, really doubt that.  The remedy was always way too obvious.  Klint, regardless of his inexperience, HAD to have realised that long ago, but been afraid to go against Zimmer's overt orders, or hinted wishes, and expected bad consequences of doing that.  Zimmer is desperate for success and to avoid a very possible imminent firing.  And the tone of especially Thielen's last comments before The Charger game, and the apparent frustration of Jefferson (despite his being respectful and polite in not making any verbal complaint) had to make Zimmer fearful of a possible player rebellion and The Wilfs worrying about another potential Stephon Diggs situation.  That, and the fact that continuing the ultra conservative play on offence was leading mostly to losses, and moving The Vikings closer and closer to falling towards completely being out of any chance of making the playoffs (which also means being fired), HAD to affect Zimmer's thinking that he has little to lose, and possibly a chance to improve the situation by releasing the chains from the offence. 

[Robb_K]

On 11/15/2021 at 9:33 AM, SteelKing728 said:

I'll catch the game next week. Must not have been such a bad day for us.

Sometimes I just don't get the PFF gradings.  They CERTAINLY don't always take all factors into consideration accurately.  No way can Eric Kendricks have been less valuable to The Vikings in The Charger game than Beshaud Breeland or Mackensie Alexander, both of whom made some bad errors that hurt the team greatly - missed coverages, and also a crucial penalty in Breeland's case, despite their having covered decently on several snaps, while Kendricks had a drive-ending interception, drive shattering 10 yard sack, and several great tackles when coming from far away.  Despite his missing a few tackles, and allowing a couple open lanes, I feel that, on balance, he helped hist team more than Breeland and Mackensie, and several other defensive players.  It seems that the PFF gradings don't account for the fact that Kendricks covers much more area than almost all, if not all the other defensive players.  He is in effect, playing about 3 or 4 different positions, all at once on each play.  Sometimes he is boosting the PFF score of the DE or DT on his side, sometime the slot CB, usually Alexander,  sometimes the DT on the other side.  To me, he should have had a rating closer to 70 than 50.  It's a defective rating system.  The Vikings were helped a LOT more by his game-turning plays than hurt by his score-lowering small miscues, whose  accumulated negative impacts actually hurt the team significantly less, but, ironically, bring his overall score down to a level that looks like he was a detriment to their chances of winning.  The proof of this is clearly shown when the PFF grades show the player in the bad game level, and another index, or even two, show the player's effort in that same game as being well above average.