Talent Acquisition and Separation

[Chiefer]

39 minutes ago, Chiefs_5627 said:

He's a yac machine but it's reported that the 9ers are gonna want the moon and stars to acquire him plus then we'd have to pay him big $$. I just don't see it happening

Supposedly the Jets are offering number 10, so ridiculously desperate 

[Chiefer]

15 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

Exactly. Finding a succession of great players is not guaranteed. Finding several good players is more doable.

For example, look at how New England, New Orleans, Green Bay, Baltimore always have premium OL without spending premium picks. They keep bringing in new blood in later rounds and developing it.

OL is one thing, receivers a whole nother. 

i just want more SBs, imo the only way thats happening is if we acquire elite talent. Idc how that happens, Deebo, draft picks, whatever. Beyond this year it looks like a very bare cupboard for Mahomes to work with, and he aint Brady.

Even Brady had to get away from that environment to win a SB, thats why hes in Tampa, and also part of the reason he tried to get on the Dolphins(allegedly) 

[onejayhawk]

11 minutes ago, Chiefer said:

OL is one thing, receivers a whole nother. 

i just want more SBs, imo the only way thats happening is if we acquire elite talent. Idc how that happens, Deebo, draft picks, whatever. Beyond this year it looks like a very bare cupboard for Mahomes to work with, and he aint Brady.

Even Brady had to get away from that environment to win a SB, thats why hes in Tampa, and also part of the reason he tried to get on the Dolphins(allegedly) 

In some way it's true that one unit is not like another. In other ways everything works the same. 

I understand wanting more Super Bowls. However, spending all our capital on WR, when we have a larger need at DE and DB, is probably not the way to go about it. I am infavor of getting impact players but there are only about 15 first round grades in the draft. We are probably not willing to pay for one of those when #30 - #60 is the sweet spot of this draft and we have three picks. 

[EMAW_KSU]

3 hours ago, mayanfootball said:

Chiefs to get D. Samuel? I could get on board with that.  KC might have to pay him $20million/yr.. But KC might give it to him since Tyreek wouldn't take it apparantly..

https://www.nfl.com/news/deebo-samuel-requests-trade-10-potential-landing-spots-for-san-francisco-49ers-s

 

There’s literally 9 other teams in that article bud.  I don’t see us making that type of move, particularly if rumors of what’s always been put on the table is true.

[onejayhawk]

On the talent separation side, Byron Pringle was arrested in Florida.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/bears_wr_byron_pringle_arrested_charged_in_florida/s1_13132_37434274

[Jakuvious]

I'm the biggest Deebo fan you'll find on here, but that is not a move that is going to make sense for us.

[mayanfootball]

41 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

I'm the biggest Deebo fan you'll find on here, but that is not a move that is going to make sense for us.

i suppose. Especially if we're trying to save something for CAP space.

[Chiefer]

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/4/25/23029599/chiefs-draft-profile-logan-hall-can-be-disruptive-piece-in-the-defensive-line

@mayanfootball even AP agrees with me, saying Hall is more of a 3-tech like Jones in Spagz 43 Defense

 

[onejayhawk]

2 hours ago, Chiefer said:

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/4/25/23029599/chiefs-draft-profile-logan-hall-can-be-disruptive-piece-in-the-defensive-line

@mayanfootball even AP agrees with me, saying Hall is more of a 3-tech like Jones in Spagz 43 Defense

That's not convincing. Jones could have been a DE if he had trained there out of college. As it was, he has too much value as a 3-tech to allow him to get up to speed outside.

Even if Hall, or Leal since the same arguments apply, were 90% 3-tech, you can use two of them in a pass rush set, not to mention the 30% to $0% of the plays Jones comes out for a breather. Jones has seven years in the league. Perhaps it's time to consider training a replacement. 

Take talent where you find it and work it into the system. If needs be, rework the system.

[onejayhawk]

There arre reports that the team is actively looking to trade up 5-10 spots. Veach has said that they consider about 16-18 players on a tier above the others. Presumably this would be like the Mahomes deal which was conditional on Mahomes being available.

Since we don't have room for 12 rookies it makes sense to consolidate some of of the picks. A first and a third would move us up about five picks. A first and a second is worth about 10 - 12. 
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/27/2022-nfl-draft-kansas-city-chiefs-calling-potential-first-round-trade-partners/
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-kansas-city-chiefs-brett-veach-pre-draft-press-conference-takeaways/

[Chiefer]

On 4/25/2022 at 10:04 PM, onejayhawk said:

That's not convincing. Jones could have been a DE if he had trained there out of college. As it was, he has too much value as a 3-tech to allow him to get up to speed outside.

Even if Hall, or Leal since the same arguments apply, were 90% 3-tech, you can use two of them in a pass rush set, not to mention the 30% to $0% of the plays Jones comes out for a breather. Jones has seven years in the league. Perhaps it's time to consider training a replacement. 

Take talent where you find it and work it into the system. If needs be, rework the system.

Jones wouldve been a terrible 43 DE out of college and wouldve been moved inside, just like Logan Hall will be imo. Jones has Zero bend, its why he failed at it in the NfL. His strengths are moving straight ahead, not a curve. Going back in time and changing his position doesnt change that

Cant really rework the entire basis of the defense…Hall would be a part time player here, and thats fine, but spending a high pick on that is disappointing to say the least. id rather just find an actual starter at EDGE. Which should be available. 

 

[onejayhawk]

5 hours ago, Chiefer said:

Jones wouldve been a terrible 43 DE out of college and wouldve been moved inside, just like Logan Hall will be imo. Jones has Zero bend, its why he failed at it in the NfL. His strengths are moving straight ahead, not a curve. Going back in time and changing his position doesnt change that

Cant really rework the entire basis of the defense…Hall would be a part time player here, and thats fine, but spending a high pick on that is disappointing to say the least. id rather just find an actual starter at EDGE. Which should be available. 

No. Just, no.

Jones dd not fail at DE last season. He was quite effective, but not as effective as he was at DT. They put him where he could do the most good in a bad situation. 

Hall is not a similar player. He taller and not nearly as bulky as Jones. From your decription I would have guessed someone like Devonte Wyatt or Perrion Winfrey who are two to three inches shorter but 20 pounds heavier. TDN lists Hall as Edge and has this comment:

Versatility: Hall’s versatility adds to his appeal. There is reason to believe he can play base end in a 4-3, 5-technique in a 3-4, and attack interior gaps as both a run defender and pass rusher. Houston played him up and down the line of scrimmage and he can do the same in the NFL. 

Another guy with similar profile is DeMarvin Leal of Texas A&M. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by onejayhawk

[mayanfootball]

I've seen a draft (sorry, can't remember author) with us taking N.Bonito, Oklahoma, DE. He's got a quick first step and hands that are active. Lateral agility is impressive.

[kingseanjohn]

5 minutes ago, mayanfootball said:

I've seen a draft (sorry, can't remember author) with us taking N.Bonito, Oklahoma, DE. He's got a quick first step and hands that are active. Lateral agility is impressive.

He reminded me too much of Mike Danna iirc.

[Chiefs_5627]

I saw a rumor that Veach has been a big fan of Mafe. I never trust rumors around this point of the process though 😅