NYRaider Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 9 hours ago, CKSteeler said: He's a fraud who has ridden a well developed line of bull, one of the best run organizations in sports and a HOF QB to 15 years in the NFL. I mean, there's sort of something to respect in that. He falls flat on his face outside the Pittsburgh organization and is never heard from again if hired elsewhere. Or if he didn't have Roethlisberger. Ben's arm was completely shot and their OL was a disaster the last two seasons yet they still made the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 41 minutes ago, ViolenceIsYourFriend said: I’m amazed that people don’t like Tomlin. What are you expecting? Your team is not talented. Your QB is god awful. As a Browns fan, I’d love it if Tomlin was fired. Please do! Yeah the Steelers roster construction has been terrible for years, I'd love him in Las Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Tomlin is a top 5 coach. Every year that goes on makes me think the Ben/Bell/Brown "talent" was more and more overrated. (maybe not AB, but he is obv a psychopath so still fits) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Soggust said: Tomlin is a top 5 coach. Every year that goes on makes me think the Ben/Bell/Brown "talent" was more and more overrated. (maybe not AB, but he is obv a psychopath so still fits) they weren't overrated at all. They just underachieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Tomlin is trash. He is Jack Pardee 2.0. I have never seen two coaches accomplish so little while having so much talent at their disposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, SBLIII said: they weren't overrated at all. They just underachieved. According to what? All the success they had in other organizations? Has Ben EVER scared you like a Brady/Rodgers/etc? Has Bell done ANYTHING outside of Pitt? AB is obviously talented, but he's a lunatic and Tomlin was able to get 7 pro bowls out of him whereas Gruden, Belichick and Arians couldn't manage him (and even in their best case scenarios weren't using him like Pitt AB). They were a good group together and Pitt had some good defenses, but expecting to win super bowls in the prime of the Pats dynasty because of this "talent" is a stretch at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 hours ago, CKSteeler said: What success? His Super Bowl with **** Lebeau and Bruce Arians and mostly Cowher's players? Or the previous 6 years without a playoff win? The most points allowed over his previous 4 playoff games in NFL history all while being touted as a defensive coach? He's a guy who comes up with some catchy turns of phrases. His players love him. He's absolutely mediocre when it matters. And yea, he's done more to hold Roethlisberger back than the other way around. By a lot. He's never, ever given Roethlisberger a top tier offensive coach. He's always gone into games with the goal of protecting his defense, and over the last decade, he hasn't even been able to accomplish that. Yeah, this is why nobody takes you seriously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Soggust said: According to what? All the success they had in other organizations? Has Ben EVER scared you like a Brady/Rodgers/etc? Has Bell done ANYTHING outside of Pitt? AB is obviously talented, but he's a lunatic and Tomlin was able to get 7 pro bowls out of him whereas Gruden, Belichick and Arians couldn't manage him (and even in their best case scenarios weren't using him like Pitt AB). They were a good group together and Pitt had some good defenses, but expecting to win super bowls in the prime of the Pats dynasty because of this "talent" is a stretch at best. I mean, Brown, Ben and Bell were there in there prime together for like 5-6 years and made 1 conference championship where they got blown out and missed the playoffs twice. Just not impressive to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 hours ago, RuskieTitan said: To coach as long as he has, and never have a losing record, speaks more about his coaching than anything you've posted to discredit him. No Ruskie, don't you get it? Tomlin is supposed to have a season bad enough to be picking in the Top 5 and hope he gets a talent worthy of that who can lead the team to a Lombardi. And if he does, well then he's riding that talent. If the talent is a bust? Then it's solely on Tomlin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: Yeah, this is why nobody takes you seriously... Well he had Bruce Arians, who he "retired." Of course, he gave Bruce the likes of Doug Legursky and Sean Mahan to work with on the OL so... The previous two offensive coordinators are out of the NFL entirely. Couldn't even hack it in college. Todd Haley has graduated from high school and is now coaching in the USFL. But tell me more about this offensive brilliance that Tomlin has brought into his staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 hours ago, CKSteeler said: The whole not having a losing season thing makes me laugh. It reminds me of an argument I had with some delusional Dolphins fan on here years and years ago who thought Shula was the best coach of all time because of how many seasons he had with 10 wins. Not Belichick. Not Walsh. No...no....it's Shula because he racked up a lot of mediocre seasons over a long stretch of time. Given the talent he's had to work with, he's overachieved precisely one time as head coach of the Steelers and that was an 8-8 season. And it involved trading two first round picks to bring in Minkah Fitzpatrick to sure up his defense. The rest of his coaching career? How many bye weeks have the Steelers had under Mike Tomlin? How many playoff wins (he now has a losing record in the post-season after starting 5-2)? The guy hasn't won a playoff game in 6 years. His best case scenario is being Marvin Lewis if he's on a lesser franchise. Really? 2011: He was 1 Win over Expected W-L 2014: He was 2 Wins over Expected W-L 2016: He was 1 Win over Expected W-L 2017: He was 3 Wins over Expected W-L 2020: He was 2 Wins over Expected W-L 2021: He was 2 Win over Expected W-L 2014, 2017, 2020, and 2021 seem to suggest otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, CKSteeler said: Well he had Bruce Arians, who he "retired." Of course, he gave Bruce the likes of Doug Legursky and Sean Mahan to work with on the OL so... The previous two offensive coordinators are out of the NFL entirely. Couldn't even hack it in college. Todd Haley has graduated from high school and is now coaching in the USFL. But tell me more about this offensive brilliance that Tomlin has brought into his staff. Wade Phillips is no longer in the NFL. Guess he was never great either. But the fact you think Arians is actually a great Offensive Mind speaks volumes about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, AFF said: Tomlin is 3-7 in the last decade in the playoffs...2 of those wins against backup QBs and the other was gifted when Burfict had multiple personal foul penalties to give Steelers field position to kick a FG. Theres plenty of issues with the Steelers...Tomlin is not solely to blame, but he’s a major issue. News to me that going into Arrowhead we beat a backup that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 killer B era steelers were too top heavy and they were always missing one of them in the postseason. I think they only played together in 3 full postseason games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, BlaqOptic said: Wade Phillips is no longer in the NFL. Guess he was never great either. But the fact you think Arians is actually a great Offensive Mind speaks volumes about you. I obviously don't think Arians is a great offensive mind, but I just want to be clear as to who you are defending here. Is it Todd Haley? Because Todd Haley is still coaching football, he just can't get a job in the NFL. Wade Phillips legit retired because he was ancient. 4 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: 2014, 2017, 2020, and 2021 seem to suggest otherwise... Do you know what expected wins/losses actually are? Because that's not some metric that shows you how a coach performed compared to expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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