2022 Cowboys Offseason News and Notes

[WizardHawk]

2 hours ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

...for...a promotion for one specific job? This is a strange hill to die on and it seems like you are actively looking for a reason to be upset - which, if the case, I can't really help. 

I see. 

[WizardHawk]

 

[DaBoys]

On 2/15/2022 at 4:39 PM, textaz03 said:

And not even a top 5 RB IMO

Probably not the top RB on the team let alone the league 

[D82]

 

[D82]

 

[The_Slamman]

2 hours ago, D82 said:

 

Only a complete imbecile doesn’t see right through this.  It’s still hilarious that people still use stats as the end all to defend Dak.  All you have to do to dramatically change the stats is remove the eagles games (one of which was played against only second stringers) and include the 49ers game.  Then if you really want to eff the stats, show only Dak’s first 3 quarters against the other teams when we went down by double digits which allowed him to play against soft defenses in the forth.  Of course by simply removing eagles and adding 49ers, you would quickly see that Dak went 1-5 in those games.  

[DaBoys]

1 hour ago, The_Slamman said:

Only a complete imbecile doesn’t see right through this.  It’s still hilarious that people still use stats as the end all to defend Dak.  All you have to do to dramatically change the stats is remove the eagles games (one of which was played against only second stringers) and include the 49ers game.  Then if you really want to eff the stats, show only Dak’s first 3 quarters against the other teams when we went down by double digits which allowed him to play against soft defenses in the forth.  Of course by simply removing eagles and adding 49ers, you would quickly see that Dak went 1-5 in those games.  

I was going to say... weren’t the 49ers a playoff team? That we played? In the playoffs? Why are they not even on the list?

And I agree that the 2nd game against Philly(a week 18 scrimmage against fringe roster players) shouldn’t be considered evidence of Dak performing at a high level against a good team. The defense he played against that day wasn’t even a starting NFL unit, much less a playoff caliber defense. 

Remove the week 18 game against the Eagles backups, and include the ACTUAL playoff game. Daks stats aren’t horrible if you do that, and you don’t have to be disingenuous. Dak is just an above average QB. He is not Elite. Fight the good fight against those who say Dak completely sucks. But please lay down your arms in the Dak is elite debate. Enough is enough. 
 

7 games against 2021 playoff teams:

308.14 ypg

14 total TDs

9 total turnovers

5 interceptions

10(!) fumbles

4 lost fumbles

98.94 Passer rating

2 wins

5 losses

 

9 turnovers in 7 games. He is virtually guaranteed to turn the ball over against a good team at least once. 14 TDs in 7 games. You can do the math there. We had better get points from the running game or hold the opposing team under 20 because Daks only getting you 14 points and a Turnover. Won loss record wasn’t even mentioned in the original meme. But that’s a pretty damn important stat. QBR not horrible 98.94, but when you consider the league average for 2021 was 90.8 it paints a more accurate picture. Dak is just above average. 
 

He is good enough to keep us out of the top 10 in the draft, but he isn’t good enough to take us all the way without tremendous help. Help that he’ll have less and less of throughout his contract. Imo one of the biggest mistakes a franchise can make is to pay elite QB money to above average QBs.
 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DaBoys

[DaBoys]

Our roster is scheduled to be worse next year. To what extent we don’t yet know but I think we can all agree we won’t be as good on paper next year.

I mean Randy Gregory, LVE, Jayron Kearse, Michael Gallup, Cedric Wilson, Dalton Schultz, Malik Hooker, Kenu Neal, Dorance Armstrong ect... are all free agents and we are NEGATIVE in cap space. Good chance we lose most or all of these guys. 

And theres a lot of talk about cutting DLaw, or Cooper...

We aren’t going to replace all that talent in the draft, and we don’t have the money to do it in free agency. Tyron Smith gets a little older, Zack Martin gets a little older, Zeke gets a little slower. The roster will be worse in 2022. 

 

 

[Matts4313]

1 hour ago, The_Slamman said:

Only a complete imbecile doesn’t see right through this.  It’s still hilarious that people still use stats as the end all to defend Dak.  All you have to do to dramatically change the stats is remove the eagles games (one of which was played against only second stringers) and include the 49ers game.  Then if you really want to eff the stats, show only Dak’s first 3 quarters against the other teams when we went down by double digits which allowed him to play against soft defenses in the forth.  Of course by simply removing eagles and adding 49ers, you would quickly see that Dak went 1-5 in those games.  

Lets complete imbecile it up homie. I *took out* both Eagles games so that we can cater to your cherry picking. I included the 9ers game, again, so we can can cater to your cherry picking. Your cherry picking specifically stated the first 3 QTs when we we were down double digits, so I removed the 4th QT of all the games excluding Raiders/NWE because those were back and forth almost every drive. Again to cater to your cherry picking. 

So by Slams ultimate cherry picking guide...... Dak was a 94 passer rating.

152/232 66% 1598 yards 11 TDs 4 INTs <=== (I might have some errors - I did it by paper and pen at nearly midnight. But its accurate for this argument)

 

Tom Bradys Playoff Passer rating? 90.4 (just as a comparison). 

 

 

Looks like the only imbecile are people who blame the QB. @DaBoys feel free to check my math.

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Matts4313

[DaBoys]

https://www.nfl.com/news/ranking-the-14-playoff-quarterbacks-based-on-ngs-new-passing-score-metric
 

The Next Gen Stats team is proud to introduce our new Passing Score, which evaluates a quarterback’s execution on every targeted pass attempt and translates it to a palatable score between 50 to 99.
This season, 13 of the top 15 quarterbacks by NGS Passing Score made the playoffs, with Justin Herbert(89, 5th) and Matt Ryan (83, 13th) as the odd men out.

 

 

Rank

8

Dak Prescott

Dallas Cowboys · Year 6

Passing Score: 87 

• Ranking among 31 qualified QBs: 9th
• Last 3 seasons: 2020: 83 (DNQ) | 2019: 93 (7th) | 2018: 87 (14th)
• Total pass EPA on attempts: +153.8 (6th)
• EPA/attempt: +0.26 (7th)
• Best game: Week 18 vs. Eagles (97)

 

Prescott has had the most up-and-down season of any quarterback in the league. At his best, he recorded a passing score above 88 in a league-leading five games this season. This includes his Week 18 performance against the Eagles, when he earned the highest single-game passing score of any quarterback over the past four seasons (97). If the Cowboys are going to make a Super Bowl run, Prescott will have to avoid games like he had during his midseason "slump." Prescott put up a passing score below 77 in five of six games from Weeks 9 through 14. The only other playoff quarterback to have even four such games this season is Ben Roethlisberger (8).

 

 

That about sums up Dak Prescott. 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DaBoys

[Matts4313]

16 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

Our roster is scheduled to be worse next year. To what extent we don’t yet know but I think we can all agree we won’t be as good on paper next year.

I mean Randy Gregory, LVE, Jayron Kearse, Michael Gallup, Cedric Wilson, Dalton Schultz, Malik Hooker, Kenu Neal, Dorance Armstrong ect... are all free agents and we are NEGATIVE in cap space. Good chance we lose most or all of these guys. 

And theres a lot of talk about cutting DLaw, or Cooper...

We aren’t going to replace all that talent in the draft, and we don’t have the money to do it in free agency. Tyron Smith gets a little older, Zack Martin gets a little older, Zeke gets a little slower. The roster will be worse in 2022. 

 

 

Changing the names doesnt mean we will automatically be worse. You never find Cedrick Wilson is Gallup stays healthy. I really want Kearse and Gregory back, but I dont think we are losing nearly as much on the field as people make it out to be based on the name on the back of the jersey. 

[DaBoys]

In case you don’t click the link here are the passing scores of the 14 playoff QBs going into the playoffs:

#1. ARod - 92

#2. Joe Cool - 91

#3. Matt Stafford - 91

#4. Ryan Tanny - 89

#5. Mahomes - 89

#6. Josh Allen - 88

#7. Tom Brady - 88

#8. Dak - 87

#9. Kyler Murray - 87

#10. Jimmy G - 87

#11. Hurts - 84

#12. Carr - 83

#13. Mac Jones - 83

#14. Big Ben - 70

 

13 of the top 15 QBs in this metric made the playoffs so it’s a pretty telling stat. Daks score was indeed heavily influenced by the week 18 Eagles game. He had the highest score of any QB over the last 4 years that game. He also had more “bad games” (scores of 77 or less) than any other QB in the playoffs except Big Ben. Dak had 5 such games, Big Ben had 8. No other QB in the playoffs had more than 3. Without that week 18 game he probably easily drops below Kyler, and Jimmy G and puts him more in line with Hurts, Carr, and Mac Jones. 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DaBoys

[DaBoys]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/rodgers-burrow-mahomes-lead-new-qb-statistic-from-aws-and-nfl/
 

The new statistic isolates the contribution of the passer on the outcome of a pass play, agnostic of the receiver, and controls for the level of difficulty of every pass. A QB can have a negative score on a positive play and vice verse. 

The distribution of passing score points to 80 as a rough Mendoza Line for starting-level QB performance. Quarterbacks falling below that line are often young players acclimating to the league, or replacement-level talent that teams will look to upgrade from in the following season. Prescott put up a passing score below 77 in five of six games from Weeks 9 through 14. Quarterbacks falling between a score of 80 and 90 are a mix of guys you can win in spite of and win with. Finally, passing scores above 90 can be roughly considered elite, the players you win because of.

To illustrate the statistic's accuracy, AWS ranked the performances of quarterbacks in 2021, finding that Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow, and Matthew Stafford were the only players with scores above 90. Ryan Tannehill, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Tom Brady weren't far behind with scores above 88. 

Dak Prescott, Kyler Murray, and Jimmy Garoppolo all had 87s. Jalen Hurts, Derek Carr, and Mac Jones had scores above 82. Ben Roethlisberger was 14th on the list with a 70 and is the only quarterback over the last four seasons to get to the playoffs with a score under 82.

Dak had the highest single game score of any QB over the last 4 seasons in week 18 v the Eagles backups. Despite that he still barely cracked the top 10 in the league and finished with a score of 87.

87 is good but not elite and probably a bit inflated due to that 1 game. He was probably closer to 85-86 without that game, which is good but probably not 3rd highest paid player in the league good. 
 

EDIT:

Daks score without the Eagles game was 86 which would be good for 11th in the league. 🤷‍♂️ 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DaBoys

[Matts4313]

36 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

Daks score without the Eagles game was 86 which would be good for 11th in the league. 🤷‍♂️ 

2 points from Brady, 3 from Mahomes... even with cherry picking?

Not bad when you consider by PBWR we had the worst OL in the entire NFL to close the season. 

[D82]

More of an opinion rather than a credible source, but...Mathieu would make for an interesting addition. Though I'm not sure how good he is still.