NeptunePenguins Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Idk Brady is so far ahead of Manning that it wasn't much of a rivarly and I am unsure of whether Josh Allen is even a top tier QB yet as he has the worse stats of all the QBs involved. Mahomes is a little worse off than Manning at this point I would think, and Manning is a lot worse off than Brady early in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Herbert/Mahomes will be Brady/Manning. Herbert/Burrow will be Manning/Leaf (but like, if Leaf actually reached his potential and didn't have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightime Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, NeptunePenguins said: Idk Brady is so far ahead of Manning that it wasn't much of a rivarly and I am unsure of whether Josh Allen is even a top tier QB yet as he has the worse stats of all the QBs involved. Mahomes is a little worse off than Manning at this point I would think, and Manning is a lot worse off than Brady early in their careers. I don’t see how Manning was better off than Mahomes at this point in his career. Mahomes is in his 5th season in the NFL, and 4th as starter. MVP with a ring and 2 SB appearances After Manning’s 5th season (2002), he had no MVPs and 0 playoff wins. He didn’t accomplish either until 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 18 hours ago, The BILLievers said: Just to throw it out there (I still have Mahomes over Allen until/if Allen can win a SB, big if), in the past 2 season this is how they stack up : Total Yards Mahomes : 10,268 Allen : 10,135 Total Touchdowns Mahomes : 79 Allen : 88 Completion % Mahomes : 66.3% Allen : 66.1% INTs Mahomes : 19 Allen : 25 Record Mahomes : 26-7 Allen : 24-9 It's a lot closer than you'd think. Mahomes has slightly more yards, less INTs and a slightly better record. Allen has more touchdowns. Completion % about equal. I mean if you omit the best year of someone’s career and the worst year of another person’s, they often look closer than you think right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 IMO Brady - Manning became a rivalry when Indy won that AFCCG. If Allen becomes the first mortal to beat Mahomes in the playoffs tomorrow then it’s on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Soggust said: I mean if you omit the best year of someone’s career and the worst year of another person’s, they often look closer than you think right? Just looking at the most current seasons and the past 2 years, sorry Edited January 22, 2022 by The BILLievers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightime Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, The BILLievers said: Just to throw it out there (I still have Mahomes over Allen until/if Allen can win a SB, big if), in the past 2 season this is how they stack up : Total Yards Mahomes : 10,268 Allen : 10,135 Total Touchdowns Mahomes : 79 Allen : 88 Completion % Mahomes : 66.3% Allen : 66.1% INTs Mahomes : 19 Allen : 25 Record Mahomes : 26-7 Allen : 24-9 It's a lot closer than you'd think. Mahomes has slightly more yards, less INTs and a slightly better record. Allen has more touchdowns. Completion % about equal. If you’re gonna do total touchdowns you need to do total turnovers as well Mahomes: 25 Allen: 34 Also playoff stats from the last 3 seasons would give a more complete picture. Overall it’s the area where Mahomes excels the most Edited January 22, 2022 by Nightime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 They've tried to paint every young QB in the AFC + Mahomes as the next big QB rivalry at some point. We've heard Jackson/Mahomes, we've heard Allen/Mahomes, we've heard Herbert/Mahomes, we've heard Burrow/Mahomes. Leading up to week one, there were articles about how Mayfield/Mahomes had already faced off in college. It's all just flavor of the week hype to drive clicks/views in the lead up to the games. It takes way more history than Mahomes currently has with anyone to reach Brady/Manning levels of hype. Like, Peyton played the Patriots 24 times, I think? Between regular season and post season. It was an annual meeting because those guys won their divisions basically every single year. There are so many things that could happen to prevent that kind of longevity between Mahomes and Allen. And for what we have so far between the two, you have only 3 matchups, and I would argue none of the three were good games. Late scores made a better look for what was really a blowout in the championship game last year. Buffalo had us handled without a problem this year. The regular season game last year was closer, but was more about our run game than Mahomes, while Allen struggled to complete half his passes. As good as the matchup does seem like it should be, so far they've all kind of been bad games. They haven't had any actually epic matchups so far. Maybe that can change this weekend. But point being, it's way too early to talk like this, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 6:28 PM, Jakuvious said: As good as the matchup does seem like it should be, so far they've all kind of been bad games. They haven't had any actually epic matchups so far. Maybe that can change this weekend. You spoke it into existence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 6:28 PM, Jakuvious said: They've tried to paint every young QB in the AFC + Mahomes as the next big QB rivalry at some point. We've heard Jackson/Mahomes, we've heard Allen/Mahomes, we've heard Herbert/Mahomes, we've heard Burrow/Mahomes. Leading up to week one, there were articles about how Mayfield/Mahomes had already faced off in college. It's all just flavor of the week hype to drive clicks/views in the lead up to the games. It takes way more history than Mahomes currently has with anyone to reach Brady/Manning levels of hype. Like, Peyton played the Patriots 24 times, I think? Between regular season and post season. It was an annual meeting because those guys won their divisions basically every single year. There are so many things that could happen to prevent that kind of longevity between Mahomes and Allen. And for what we have so far between the two, you have only 3 matchups, and I would argue none of the three were good games. Late scores made a better look for what was really a blowout in the championship game last year. Buffalo had us handled without a problem this year. The regular season game last year was closer, but was more about our run game than Mahomes, while Allen struggled to complete half his passes. As good as the matchup does seem like it should be, so far they've all kind of been bad games. They haven't had any actually epic matchups so far. Maybe that can change this weekend. But point being, it's way too early to talk like this, IMO. This. Call me in 10 years if you want to say this is the new Brady vs Manning rivalry. Brady's first game was against Manning and Manning's second to last game was against Brady. 15 years either Manning or Brady were in the Super Bowl or you had to beat them to get in. 2001: Brady wins SB 2002 2003 Brady wins SB going through Manning 2004 Brady wins SB going through Manning 2005 Steelers go to and win SB going through Manning 2006 Manning wins SB going through Brady 2007 Brady goes to SB 2008 2009 Manning goes to SB 2010 2011 Brady goes to SB 2012 Ravens go to and win SB going through Manning and then Brady 2013 Manning goes to SB going through Brady 2014 Brady wins SB 2015 Manning wins SB going through Brady From 2001 (Brady starts) to 2015 (Manning retires) those two impacted every SB but 3. And one of them you needed Brady to be injured all year. They were constantly jockying for AFC position their entire career. Those guys gatekeeped the AFC, were usually the 1 seed in the AFC and fighting over it, and also had 5 games that all determined who would represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. 4 of which determined the league champion. That's without even getting into narratives, which Mahomes and Allen so far do not have. Brady vs Manning is the the Magic vs Bird of the NFL. It's probably the defining rivalry in league history between two players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) On 1/21/2022 at 3:53 PM, DoleINGout said: No I think it will be Burrow versus Herbert if anyone. Mahomes and Allen are like the Rodgers/Roethlisberger/Brees guys in the background of the Brady/Manning rivalry years. Brady-Herbert Manning-Burrow Brees-Mahomes Rodgers-Allen Roethlisberger-Watson Rivers-Prescott Ryan-Lawrence Favre-Fields Warner-Mayfield McNabb-Murray Garcia-Lance Palmer-Mills Trent Green-Daniel Jones Hasselbeck-Mac Jones Eli-Wilson Culpepper-Hurts McNair-Tua Vick-Jackson Edited January 26, 2022 by DoleINGout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Their games are so different to the Brady/Manning games. Only one that comes to mind similar is the 24 point comeback from NE in Fox in 2013, but even then, plenty of running and slow methodical football, good defense. Allen/Mahomes games are different. You really do feel it's up to only them how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 hours ago, lancerman said: 2012 Ravens go to and win SB going through Manning and then Brady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 It's also kind of amazing that a 25 year old former MVP isn't even considered a top 4 QB (5 if you count Watson) in his own conference going forward (rightfully so btw). Goes to show how insane the talent is over there, and that the next decade is going to be wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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