Will the KO Offense be a Knock Out?

[JDBrocks]

23 hours ago, VikeManDan said:

I would agree, we've gone to the Nailor jet-sweep on 4th and 1 twice now and are 1 for 2 with it.

hopefully this starts where the play analysis is (starts at 32:44 if not), but it looks like this is an execution error, and not a bad play call. This probably would have scored if Sherfield blocks the inside man. Looks like he and Jones go to block the same guy and they leave the inside corner to stop Nailor.

[SemperFeist]

The play call is still a problem for me because the issue isn’t the execution of the play, it’s the philosophy of the play call in that situation.

Calling a lateral run play on 4th and 1 is just problematic for me on multiple levels. One, the very nature of the jet sweep is to race the defense to the outside, which too easily puts the sideline in play. I don’t like that when I’m hoping to keep the clock running. Two, I don’t like the idea of asking wide receivers and running backs to do the heavily lifting when it comes to blocking. Line up behind the big boys, push forward, and let them do what they do. And third, I don’t like giving the ball to an inexperienced ball carrier. Just hand the rock to Jones and let him find the hole and fall forward for the 1st down. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:35 PM by SemperFeist

[JDBrocks]

17 minutes ago, SemperFeist said:

The play call is still a problem for me because the issue isn’t the execution of the play, it’s the philosophy of the play call in that situation.

Calling a lateral run play on 4th and 1 is just problematic for me on multiple levels. One, the very nature of the jet sweep is to race the defense to the outside, which too easily puts the sideline in play. I don’t like that when I’m hoping to keep the clock running. Two, I don’t like the idea of asking wide receivers and running backs to do the heavily lifting when it comes to blocking. Line up behind the big boys, push forward, and let them do what they do. And third, I don’t like giving the ball to an inexperienced ball carrier. Just hand the rock to Jones and let him find the hole and fall forward for the 1st down. 

Totally understand and mostly agree with that philosophy in general, but in the moment, this play call would have worked and likely would've been a TD. I think a lot of it has to do with weakness at the PoA in Bradbury. We just don't generate a lot of push up front.

[Cearbhall]

2 hours ago, SemperFeist said:

One, the very nature of the jet sweep is to race the defense to the outside, which too easily puts the sideline in play. I don’t like that when I’m hoping to keep the clock running.

I agree with all of your points, but I want to springboard of the quoted point to say that it drove me nuts that Aaron Jones ran out of bounds to start this set of downs with just over three minutes on the clock. Had the Vikings not recovered the onside kick I would have already whined about it, but having just won a divisional away game I wasn't in a whining mood at the time. I hope the team has better situational awareness in later games. 

Part of the offense being a knockout is understanding how to drain the last four minutes of the clock. While running the four-minute drill when ahead, getting the clock to zero is more important than scoring -- especially if scoring doesn't increase the minimum number of possessions the other team requires to overcome their deficit.

[Cearbhall]

2 hours ago, JDBrocks said:

 I think a lot of it has to do with weakness at the PoA in Bradbury. We just don't generate a lot of push up front.

Yep yep!

While I agree with Mr. @SemperFeist, coach O'Connell has seen running up the middle with a yard to go fail too many times. It's hard to blame him for not wanting to try that again. I would prefer the team have an offensive line that could consistently push for a one-yard gain, but they do not have that. I would love to see that weakness addressed because not being able to reliably push forward with a yard to go has cost the team games and will cost the team more games in the future.

[VikeManDan]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:26 AM, JDBrocks said:

hopefully this starts where the play analysis is (starts at 32:44 if not), but it looks like this is an execution error, and not a bad play call.

It did start at that spot, thanks for sharing. My thoughts align with what Semper outlined. I'll be curious to see if they use that Nailor jet sweep motion again and have a different play call with it, perhaps a play-action type pass back to Jets at the top of the screen. They've got to have another look off of that motion.

Ultimately to cute for my liking on 4th and 1. You want to run it on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down knock yourself out.

[swede700]

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O’Connell installs a core alphabet for his system. Then he builds out the playbook and week-to-week game plans by tying a word players recognize in a concept or play to another word which brings them into a family of plays and eventually grows into an entire system. The player can easily jump between plays within a family and into the broader system because the words he recognizes escort him there. The point is to avoid rote memorization; everything links to something else. O’Connell calls it “dot-connecting.”

“With the proper amount of structure, coaching and clarity that you can give these players, you can make this very difficult or you can make the complex simple,” said O’Connell. “You’re constantly trying to find that balance, and the balance is in how you’re coaching it. I never want to be a Monday morning ‘clicker coach’ where I am holding the clicker … saying, ‘You should have done this, this and this.’ If I’m saying those things, I probably didn’t coach it very well.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5813754/2024/10/04/kevin-oconnell-vikings-adapt-development/

[SteelKing728]

Good luck with that.

[wcblack34]

1 hour ago, SteelKing728 said:

Good luck with that.

That’s a fake. I’m just trying to figure out who KOCs face is superimposed over. 

[SemperFeist]

4 minutes ago, wcblack34 said:

That’s a fake. I’m just trying to figure out who KOCs face is superimposed over. 

Edgar Allan Poe

Edited 17 hours ago by SemperFeist

[wcblack34]

2 hours ago, SemperFeist said:

Edgar Allan Poe

I knew that hair looked familiar. So the next question: what does that have to do with KOC? Unless we’re saying “nevermore.” 

[vike daddy]

35 minutes ago, wcblack34 said:

I knew that hair looked familiar. So the next question: what does that have to do with KOC? Unless we’re saying “nevermore.” 

exactly, i don't get it either, even if it is a fake.

that KOC should be coaching in Baltimore...?

[Captain Relax]

18 minutes ago, vike daddy said:

exactly, i don't get it either, even if it is a fake.

that KOC should be coaching in Baltimore...?

Maybe he has a tough time distinguishing between teams whose primary uniform hue is purple??