Packerraymond Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, pgwingman said: I don't understand. If he walks away, the Packers would be stuck with that dead cap. How would that be protection for GB? If Rodgers retires in a year, it's 40m dead cap, if he retires in 2, it's like 58m and in 3 it's 70m. We basically are accepting that the longer he plays, the more dead cap it is as a fair trade off. That's the protection, you sign a 50m a year deal to an old guy, there's no total protection, it's the best we can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, pgwingman said: An interesting take from Andrew Brandt. Packers could be opting to one more year, while keeping their options open at the same time If this is the case then they probably hold on to Love for one more year and hope like hell the kid takes a major jump forward this year. That would make any decision to move on from Aaron quite a bit easier to stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If Rodgers retires in a year, it's 40m dead cap, if he retires in 2, it's like 58m and in 3 it's 70m. We basically are accepting that the longer he plays, the more dead cap it is as a fair trade off. That's the protection, you sign a 50m a year deal to an old guy, there's no total protection, it's the best we can do. Yeah, to me that sounds like the opposite of protection for the team. That's protection for the player. Being saddled with enormous cap hits from a player who retires is not protection at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, pgwingman said: Yeah, to me that sounds like the opposite of protection for the team. That's protection for the player. Being saddled with enormous cap hits from a player who retires is not protection at all. It's protection from retirement for the team. It's protection from being traded after one season for the player but I doubt the team would go that route. And yes it's stating that if he plays two seasons it's great for the team and if he plays three he'd better win a damn super bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: If this is the case then they probably hold on to Love for one more year and hope like hell the kid takes a major jump forward this year. That would make any decision to move on from Aaron quite a bit easier to stomach. I mean, there wasn't any reason to move Jordan Love this offseason unless the package was worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Maybe Gute is praying Love looks good this preseason. If so they can just pay the 40M dead cap for him to just go away and still have Love on his rookie deal. Maybe still trade him for two firsts. Adams will be locked up so he can't do anything but play with whomever the QB is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If Rodgers retires in a year, it's 40m dead cap, if he retires in 2, it's like 58m and in 3 it's 70m. We basically are accepting that the longer he plays, the more dead cap it is as a fair trade off. That's the protection, you sign a 50m a year deal to an old guy, there's no total protection, it's the best we can do. We actually never explored 'the best we could do' which was a trade of him. Actually, the best we could have done was tell him last year to play on his deal or we'll trade him. Of course, we didn't do that either. HE would be playing out the contract he signed and it was for a hell of a lot less money than they just gave him. Edited March 16, 2022 by Old Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Old Guy said: We actually never explored 'the best we could do' which was a trade of him. Actually, the best we could have done was tell him last year to play on his deal or we'll trade him. Of course, we didn't do that either. HE would be playing out the contract he signed and it was for a hell of a lot less money than they just gave him. How long until you accept reality and move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, St Vince said: Maybe Gute is praying Love looks good this preseason. If so they can just pay the 40M dead cap for him to just go away and still have Love on his rookie deal. Maybe still trade him for two firsts. Adams will be locked up so he can't do anything but play with whomever the QB is. If Rodgers is traded after one season the dead cap jumps to $67m according to OtC. Rodgers either retires or he comes back next year. Both sides agreed to close the third door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, pgwingman said: Yeah, to me that sounds like the opposite of protection for the team. That's protection for the player. Being saddled with enormous cap hits from a player who retires is not protection at all. You have to look at it from an investment standpoint. The Packers agreed to pay 12 all this money and in return, they want him to play QB there for the next 2-3 years minimum. So, if 12 decides it's 1 year and done for him, the Packers get the biggest discount on dead cap because they've otherwise lost the purpose of the original investment (to have him play for 2-3 years). Conversely, if 12 fulfills the 2-3 year commitment, GB is now more willing to take on the bigger dead cap at the end because the investment will have been fulfilled. Edited March 16, 2022 by packfanfb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
British Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, 15412 said: Either way, any way, this is a horrible deal for the team. Unless next year is the only year that matters. GB should have offered him a heavily discounted team friendly contract with no other assurances. When he passed, traded him. All in for 1, maybe 2 chances at a Super Bowl? When the dude hasn't gotten us there in a dozen years while on many Super Bowl quality teams? With his post season record? Whilst Rodgers is happy and playing well it's an ok deal for the team. The cap numbers are manageable and the SB window is open. Hard to put a price on that. Rodgers doesn't have an 'out' to hit free agency after one year (which is what Brandt has been saying). He could retire, which he could have done at any point. But there's not much evidence he wants to do that imo. Seems clear the Packers and Rodgers are all in for at least 2, probably 3 and maybe more if Rodgers play keeps up. If it doesn't then Rodgers retires/gets traded, the Packers face a huge cap it and begin the rebuild with a high pick in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: How long until you accept reality and move on? When he's gone, but hey, you made a statement and I gave you the counter point to 'it's the best we could have done!' It wasn't and history will bear this out. Edited March 16, 2022 by Old Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, packfanfb said: You have to look at it from an investment standpoint. The Packers agreed to pay 12 all this money and in return, they want him to play QB there for the next 2-3 years minimum. So, if 12 decides it's 1 year and done for him, the Packers get the biggest discount on dead cap because they've otherwise lost the purpose of the original investment (to have him play for 2-3 years). Conversely, if 12 fulfills the 2-3 year commitment, GB is now more willing to take on the bigger dead cap at the end because the investment will have been fulfilled. Rodgers got what he wanted. Control of his own destiny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: Rodgers got what he wanted. Control of his own destiny. That's why the structure makes sense. If he decides to retire next off-season, at least the team gets something out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, packfanfb said: You have to look at it from an investment standpoint. The Packers agreed to pay 12 all this money and in return, they want him to play QB there for the next 2-3 years minimum. So, if 12 decides it's 1 year and done for him, the Packers get the biggest discount on dead cap because they've otherwise lost the purpose of the original investment (to have him play for 2-3 years). Conversely, if 12 fulfills the 2-3 year commitment, GB is now more willing to take on the bigger dead cap at the end because the investment will have been fulfilled. You realize this is an oxymoron don't you? If it's a one and done it's the biggest missed opportunity in the history of the NFL. We will have passed on legalized bank robbery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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