vegas492 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 17 hours ago, Old Guy said: No, I'm not. If Tom plays like he did this year again next year, he's getting extended next off season. Walker will want the same if he ups his game. There is no 5th year option with these guys and no way an agent allows either to step on the field without a new deal. That is the curse that goes with the blessing of finding really good players after the 1st round. You have to pay them 2 years earlier. You can bet your arse the Packers are planning for those possibilities next year. Find me examples of guys getting new deals done at very high levels before their rookie deal is up. Then after you do that, look at the draft, figure out who started on rookie deals and didn't get a new deal done before their contract is up. Then tell me the last time a Packer was paid big, early off of a rookie contract. I'm willing to bet that it is fractional. Those who get paid early versus those who get paid on the "normal" schedule. And even more fractional if we look at GB in a fishbowl. Top of my head, Purdy is the one right now that will get a new deal done the second it can be done. I do not recall anyone on GB being paid early on a rookie contract. Jenkins didn't. Sitton didn't. Lang didn't. Bakh didn't. Linsley didn't. 'Vante didn't. List goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 17 hours ago, Lodestar said: I like Walker and I really like Tom, but they would have to be Pro Bowlers All Pro in 2024 for either of them to threaten a holdout let alone actually go through with it. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 15 hours ago, Old Guy said: Not really, they just have to be really good. LOL. Find examples in the NFL then. Then compares those examples to guys who started, played well and did not get new deals early. It is not common to get the deals done quickly. Especially when you have to pay your QB first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, vegas492 said: LOL. Find examples in the NFL then. Then compares those examples to guys who started, played well and did not get new deals early. It is not common to get the deals done quickly. Especially when you have to pay your QB first. I'm with Vegas here. They would have to be really really really good to get extended early. That's the other end of the spectrum from guys making bank as soon as they are free to. Right now the Packers don't have to pay them big so why? If they ball out, the Packers can still franchise them and work out a deal. Guys get hurt all the time and as a business practice, why pay them when you don't have to yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 16 minutes ago, MantyWrestler said: I'm with Vegas here. They would have to be really really really good to get extended early. That's the other end of the spectrum from guys making bank as soon as they are free to. Right now the Packers don't have to pay them big so why? If they ball out, the Packers can still franchise them and work out a deal. Cant franchise both. The idea is Walker and Tom could " hold out" if the don't get extensions prior to the 2025 season. 16 minutes ago, MantyWrestler said: Guys get hurt all the time and as a business practice, why pay them when you don't have to yet? And why should the player play without the extension when they are eligible for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, MantyWrestler said: ..Packers don't have to pay them big so why? If they ball out, the Packers can still franchise them and work out a deal. Guys get hurt all the time and as a business practice, why pay them when you don't have to yet? *IF* a player wants an early deal, and wants to club to bear the injury risk, then the player needs to accept some $$-reduction. No reason for team to pay early and pay top dollar otherwise. There is mutual logic. Player getting big 2nd-contract dollars without risk that an injury can kill things, that makes sense. And club getting both some cost reduction, and extended control, and being better able to plan ahead, that has value. But if agent wants top dollar, then the player needs to "bet on himself" and play out with injury risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 42 minutes ago, squire12 said: Cant franchise both. The idea is Walker and Tom could " hold out" if the don't get extensions prior to the 2025 season. And why should the player play without the extension when they are eligible for it? We are in a good cap position to pay both, if need be. Why do any NFL players play in year 4 and not just hold out....if they are starters? Answer: Because of leverage. They hold out, they do not get paid, they do not get a year of service. The club will then have another draft and FA period to replace them. And then they get the label of holding out for a new deal before the old deal is up. Easy to overcome if you are a superstar and large draw. Tougher if you are not. Not many are in a position like Purdy where they play the most important position on the club and have a 7'th round salary. Walker will have the salary, so maybe he could get testy, should he start and play well this year. But he's a 7'th round pick known for humping a kid in college and who will have started 1.5 years. Maybe a little more. He shouldn't have much leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 11 minutes ago, vegas492 said: We are in a good cap position to pay both, if need be. Why do any NFL players play in year 4 and not just hold out....if they are starters? Answer: Because of leverage. They hold out, they do not get paid, they do not get a year of service. The club will then have another draft and FA period to replace them. And then they get the label of holding out for a new deal before the old deal is up. Easy to overcome if you are a superstar and large draw. Tougher if you are not. Not many are in a position like Purdy where they play the most important position on the club and have a 7'th round salary. Walker will have the salary, so maybe he could get testy, should he start and play well this year. But he's a 7'th round pick known for humping a kid in college and who will have started 1.5 years. Maybe a little more. He shouldn't have much leverage. Agree, but some people here went to the NY Jet fan school of leverage. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 54 minutes ago, R T said: Agree, but some people here went to the NY Jet fan school of leverage. ...and they ended up taking remedial courses during the summer.... Okay, that's mean. They ended up sticking around for the summertime Hog Dog eating contest. And who can blame them? Edited March 26 by vegas492 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Jets leverage jokes never get old. Latest news that they plan to keep Wilson if they can't trade him is hysterical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: Jets leverage jokes never get old. Latest news that they plan to keep Wilson if they can't trade him is hysterical. Watch him start 17 games for the Jets this year now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, squire12 said: Cant franchise both. The idea is Walker and Tom could " hold out" if the don't get extensions prior to the 2025 season. And why should the player play without the extension when they are eligible for it? Let them hold out then. They can’t go anywhere. they play without the extension because right now they have no other options. The Packers own their rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, craig said: *IF* a player wants an early deal, and wants to club to bear the injury risk, then the player needs to accept some $$-reduction. No reason for team to pay early and pay top dollar otherwise. There is mutual logic. Player getting big 2nd-contract dollars without risk that an injury can kill things, that makes sense. And club getting both some cost reduction, and extended control, and being better able to plan ahead, that has value. But if agent wants top dollar, then the player needs to "bet on himself" and play out with injury risk. This makes sense here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 13 hours ago, vegas492 said: LOL. Find examples in the NFL then. Then compares those examples to guys who started, played well and did not get new deals early. It is not common to get the deals done quickly. Especially when you have to pay your QB first. No thanks, do your own research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 11 hours ago, vegas492 said: We are in a good cap position to pay both, if need be. Why do any NFL players play in year 4 and not just hold out....if they are starters? Answer: Because of leverage. They hold out, they do not get paid, they do not get a year of service. You can " hold out" and still get paid and accrue a year of service. 11 hours ago, vegas492 said: The club will then have another draft and FA period to replace them. And then they get the label of holding out for a new deal before the old deal is up. Easy to overcome if you are a superstar and large draw. Tougher if you are not. Not many are in a position like Purdy where they play the most important position on the club and have a 7'th round salary. Walker will have the salary, so maybe he could get testy, should he start and play well this year. But he's a 7'th round pick known for humping a kid in college and who will have started 1.5 years. Maybe a little more. He shouldn't have much leverage. If GB has little in option behind Walker/ Tom at OT, the players gain some leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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