MacReady Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 Love that Florio is calling the Packers out for this ****. I am really conflicted. I know that for the future, the best thing is for this team to crash and burn and hard. But how do I justify rooting for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said: Here's the good news - Murphy is going to retire soon and the "3 silos" structure will depart with him. Bad news, it won't come soon enough. Legitimately speaking, I don't know how this situation can get any worse. We're playing like a non-playoff team who isn't bad enough to draft high and we just gave our aging QB an unmovable contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, Outpost31 said: Love that Florio is calling the Packers out for this ****. I am really conflicted. I know that for the future, the best thing is for this team to crash and burn and hard. But how do I justify rooting for that? You still follow his trash TMZ website? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: Here's the good news - Murphy is going to retire soon and the "3 silos" structure will depart with him. Bad news, it won't come soon enough. Why would his replacement hold any less authority or responsibility as he does now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, CWood21 said: Why would you draft a QB if you plan on extending your QB? That literally makes ZERO sense. Like even a second of critical thinking would tell you that. There was a material difference that changed the equation. No crap it makes no sense. But they sure as heck did it, didn't they? You're on the trail but you somehow can't see the forest from the trees. Hint: The same person who led the charge to draft Love is not the same person who led the charge to extend Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said: No crap it makes no sense. But they sure as heck did it, didn't they? You're on the trail but you somehow can't see the forest from the trees. Hint: The same person who led the charge to draft Love is not the same person who led the charge to extend Rodgers. No **** sherlock. Who gave the Packers the best chance to win in 2022, Love or Rodgers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Leader said: Why would his replacement hold any less authority or responsibility as he does now? Because there are a multitude of people in the organization who don't believe the structure Murphy implemented works. And because they still have memories of a structure that did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: Because there are a multitude of people in the organization who don't believe the structure Murphy implemented works. And because they still have memories of a structure that did. So - under your theory - the new guys gonna accept the job while understanding he'll have less power and input than the guy he's replacing? Why would he do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 54 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: Shouldn't you be spending hours compiling a handful of select plays to show how all of this is Aaron Rodgers' fault? I mean that's what you're doing here. Picking out one aspect of an article and trying to turn that into what the entire article is about to then try and say it's thus flawed. Even the flaw you try to point out is based in ill logic. MVS isn't effective because he puts up 8 catches for 100 yards each week. He can be used effectively to stretch defenses and open things up for others. If I'm not mistaken the Packers scored around 8-10 more points per game with him on the field. KC and GB both traded away clear #1 WRs last year. One of those teams has actually improved on offense this year. One team knows what it's team needs to make it offense click and goes out and gets exactly what it needs with a clear plan. Green Bay can have a plan but it has a structure making it much more difficult to implement. Green Bay had a plan. Davante Adams didn't want to stick around and play with Rodgers. One of the reasons you pay the QB is to convince the rest of the talent to stick around and contend. It then pivoted and ended up with Watkins and the rookies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 It's not 3 silos; it's 4 silos. Don't forget the Rodgers' silo. That silo worries me the most, because: (1) Rodgers commenting on players' performance is NOT healthy for team morale, (b) Rodgers having a say in player acquisition is just wrong, (c) every play MLF calls is filtered through Rodgers resulting in the two headed offense noted by Packerraymond, (d) Rodgers' $50 million salary has hamstrung the franchise into the foreseeable future. There seems to have been a plan to move on from Rodgers with the drafting of Love that was abandoned. Why, and by whom? That's the big question. Changing horses in mid-stream has doomed the Packers for several years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Just now, CWood21 said: No **** sherlock. Who gave the Packers the best chance to win in 2022, Love or Rodgers? Again, not disagreeing with the deviation. Do have a major issue with one person managing the draft and then having someone else force something else on them. It's led to this complete mess we have now where even if Love would have led them to a 2-15 season, they'd be in a better position going forward. Either you go all-in on something or you don't. If you're going to be told you have stick with Rodgers, then yes you can humble yourself and admit he gives the team the best chance to win, but then you also have to go all-in on that new direction. If you're going to deviate, then fully deviate. Instead they're flying by the seat of their pants and making it clear that they would have been better off blowing it up and accumulating assets even knowing Love was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Leader said: So - under your theory - the new guys gonna accept the job while understanding he'll have less power and input than the guy he's replacing? Why would he do that? What the heck are you talking about? Packers President isn't a position where the ability to have final say on team building and breaking ties between any two of coach, GM, and chief negotiator is in the job description. The position has historically been one focused on business growth and hiring a good GM and then staying out of his way. When Murphy retires, potential replacements will be jumping at the chance to fill the old Bob Harlan role. And returning the position to that previous level of power will a big step in getting the organization back on the right track. Edited November 2, 2022 by Mr Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said: What the heck are you talking about? Packers President isn't a position where the ability to have final say on team building and breaking ties between any two of coach, GM, and chief negotiator is in the job description. The position has historically been one focused on business growth and hiring a good GM and then staying out of his way. When Murphy retires, potential replacements will be jumping at the chance to fill the old Bob Harlan role. And returning the position to that level of power will a big step in getting the organization back on the right track. You are talking about getting the organization back on track...on the field, right? Not in terms of profits and incoming money, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: Again, not disagreeing with the deviation. Do have a major issue with one person managing the draft and then having someone else force something else on them. It's led to this complete mess we have now where even if Love would have led them to a 2-15 season, they'd be in a better position going forward. Either you go all-in on something or you don't. If you're going to be told you have stick with Rodgers, then yes you can humble yourself and admit he gives the team the best chance to win, but then you also have to go all-in on that new direction. If you're going to deviate, then fully deviate. Instead they're flying by the seat of their pants and making it clear that they would have been better off blowing it up and accumulating assets even knowing Love was a mistake. No. Because I don't think that either LaFleur or Gute were forced to do something they were so adamantly against. And I also think you're operating under a LOT of assumptions. Let's look at this objectively, Rodgers gave the Packers the best chance to win in 2022 and the Packers are/were currently built as a win-now team. You're assuming that the Packers got a viable trade offer for Jordan Love, and said no. You're assuming that the Packers could have gotten Rodgers to return without a new contract. You put the assumptions in there and spout them out as facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: What the heck are you talking about? Packers President isn't a position where the ability to have final say on team building and breaking ties between any two of coach, GM, and chief negotiator is in the job description. The position has historically been one focused on business growth and hiring a good GM and then staying out of his way. When Murphy retires, potential replacements will be jumping at the chance to fill the old Bob Harlan role. And returning the position to that previous level of power will a big step in getting the organization back on the right track. Yet you seem to suggest he's the one making the final decisions. His position is meant to mediate between the HC and GM, so that we don't have another TT/McCarthy situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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