Rodgers to the Jets Trade Discussion

[Mazrimiv]

7 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said:

Until it's not a done deal.   You'd have to think that things are pretty serious to get this far.  You'd think they would be flying him to their facilities for a visit, but maybe that's not the way AR rolls. 

Aaron probably can't find his way to the airport while his eyes adjust to the light

[incognito_man]

2 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

True.

Oh wait.  False.

You are usually so intuned to these things, though.  I'm really surprised that this trade feature and buying into better picks escaped you when that contract was signed.  And for many months afterwards.

I mean, you have long defended Gute.  And this contract is kind of one of those things that is a very clear mark against the front office.  I know I missed the trade portion of that deal and the buying into better picks things.  And I enjoy defending Gute, too.

But, I guess let's see what happens.  If the trade happens, how much of it is eaten and what our return is.

Oh.  Wait.  False.  We don't have to wait.  Because it isn't going to happen.  Because the contract is that bad and because our front office is full of idiots.

FIFY

[vegas492]

Just now, incognito_man said:

you sure got quiet after page 8

maybe because on page 9 (December 2, 2022) I posted this:

"Guys, what if we look at this contract from management perspective:

Did we give ourselves the option to buy better draft compensation? 

Will Rodgers in a trade be far more valuable with us eating a big piece of his contract? Acquiring team gets Rodgers in discount is REALLY attractive. We eat big dead cap hit in Love's cheap year and get significant draft capital."

 

I grew bored after page 7.  Never went deeper as it was 8 months plus after the contract had already been signed.

If it was that easy to see, it would have been found much earlier.

And not necessarily by us, we don't get paid for any of this stuff.  And it's gold.

If it was that easy, a reporter would have figured it out.

But, good going, Sherlock.  You solved the cold case.

[{Family Ghost}]

7 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Gute took a gamble on Rodgers with the contract. It didn't work out, because AR didn't commit as expected. That was ultimately a bad business decision. HOWEVER, I see the logic of it, and they did a good job giving themselves flexibility on the cap/compensation by structuring it so his cap hits to a trading team for 2 years are ridiculously appealing.

I've never seen the logic .. this thing was so clearly over after that terrible loss to the 49'ers in the playoffs.  #12 played like arse in a big game once again.  He needed to step up and he shriveled up once again.  That should have been it .. especially after the Broncos were ready to throw a bunch of picks at us for a 38 year old QB.

[HokieHigh]

7 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

Someone mentioned Corey Davis (WR) in the trade.  Thought I'd look up their roster on Spotrac and see if they have good players that are tradeable.

Mosely, ILB, is their biggest cap hit at 21.4M.  They gain 7.5M of cap space if he is gone.  No interest in ILB.

Tomlinson, G, is their second biggest.  They lose money if he is traded.  No interest in a G.

Lawson, DE, is their third biggest.  He's tradeable.  No real dead money there at all.

Reed, CB, is their fourth biggest.  They save over 8M if he's traded.  And I don't know who the heck he is.

Franklin-Myers, DE, is their 5th biggest.  They save 11M if he's traded.  Not sure if he's good or not.

Duane Brown...LT, saves them a little under 6M if he's traded.  No thanks, he's ancient.

Corey Davis, WR, they save about 10.5M if he's traded.  No real guaranteed money left.

Then you get to Q Williams, Z Wilson and guys like that that aren't being traded.

Although, Elijah Moore would cost them 500k to trade.

Of that list, if we have to acquire someone, I think it's one of the two WR's.

I vote Elijah moore 

[incognito_man]

1 minute ago, vegas492 said:

I grew bored after page 7.  Never went deeper as it was 8 months plus after the contract had already been signed.

If it was that easy to see, it would have been found much earlier.

And not necessarily by us, we don't get paid for any of this stuff.  And it's gold.

If it was that easy, a reporter would have figured it out.

But, good going, Sherlock.  You solved the cold case.

FIFY, again

[Packerraymond]

1 minute ago, skibrett15 said:

yeah it's super back loaded with some hefty robbing peter to pay paul for the next 2 years.  I think it could work out great for the Jets

Packers really seem split on their plan right now though - they are dumping the guy who they built the whole plan around, but also sticking to the same Rodgers plan with Love?  They made all of these other salary moves in 2023 with an eye on competing now, but now they don't have the guy with an expiring career to justify them.  

They created like $20M in dead cap void years/extra cap charges in 2025 to open up room in 2023 and... why again?  So they can be old and tapped out in Love's 3rd season?  Don't like it.

The Rams just won a SB with a similar dead cap charge for Goff. Certainly not ideal, but 20m isn't crippling. 

[{Family Ghost}]

6 minutes ago, 15412 said:

Ol Rodg is meeting with the Jets for the same reason he met with Packer brass before we gave him that insane grossly overpaid contract with the power that came with it.   He wants to see if he can fool yet another team, how much power will they give him and are they going to load up best they can with talent around him.  That’s why the meeting is happening.  Green Bay is taking as much of that power away as they can.  Making him play within the system and knowing he will be competing throughout the season just to stay on the field.  When they bow to him he’ll agree to a re-structure.  That’s my take.  The Packer brass are done bowing.  Sadly it has cost the team greatly.

It should probably cost a bunch of people their jobs, but they will hopefully get a chance to redeem themselves with Jordan Love.

[Mr Anonymous]

Seems like it would make more sense for the Jets to part with 2 firsts for Lamar and pay him to play for many more years than to give up anything significant for Rodgers. But then again, it is the Jets.

[{Family Ghost}]

2 minutes ago, HokieHigh said:

I vote Elijah moore 

He'd be a great get ... fit right into the slot to go along with Watson and Doubs.

[incognito_man]

2 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said:

I've never seen the logic .. this thing was so clearly over after that terrible loss to the 49'ers in the playoffs.  #12 played like arse in a big game once again.  He needed to step up and he shriveled up once again.  That should have been it .. especially after the Broncos were ready to throw a bunch of picks at us for a 38 year old QB.

I see it as a couple reasons

(1) I suspect the staff didn't feel Jordan Love was ready to step in on a playoff team when they offered the contract (they do, now)

(2) He WAS coming off b2b MVP seasons. He had a stinker vs SF, undoubtedly. BUT - if you think he's going to fully buy-in and work on improving (because if you're that close, why the hell wouldn't you, A-A-Ron?!?) you like your chances. But Aaron skipped Optional Team Activities and showed up to camp fluffy and we had the season we had. There's definitely logic involved if you believe you're getting a committed Aaron. We didn't.

[PackFan13]

6 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Gute took a gamble on Rodgers with the contract. It didn't work out, because AR didn't commit as expected. That was ultimately a bad business decision. HOWEVER, I see the logic of it, and they did a good job giving themselves flexibility on the cap/compensation by structuring it so his cap hits to a trading team for 2 years are ridiculously appealing.

It didn't work out because Gute utterly failed to address the pass catching position. Rodgers not being in camp early was irrelevant. The talent wasn't on par with the good teams in the league and was literally bottom 3 in the league. They fell short as expected at the end with the defense being exposed and failures on special teams, the Packers specialty. 

[TransientTexan]

1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

gets Rodgers in discount

But it’s not really a discount (in absolute terms with respect to market value) unless we pretend the Jet’s 2025 & 2026 cap hits don’t exist. AR is still getting $55-60m/yr cash avg from them by the end of his time there. Jets can’t completely go hog-wild w/ the initial low hits due to the freight train that is coming in accelerated dead$ hits. They might be able to do a little, but not nearly as much as the $16m and $30m initial hits might suggest. 

[{Family Ghost}]

1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Seems like it would make more sense for the Jets to part with 2 firsts for Lamar and pay him to play for many more years than to give up anything significant for Rodgers. But then again, it is the Jets.

I'm sure the Jets have already thought all this thru and are pinning their hopes on landing Aaron.

[incognito_man]

3 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Seems like it would make more sense for the Jets to part with 2 firsts for Lamar and pay him to play for many more years than to give up anything significant for Rodgers. But then again, it is the Jets.

they have breece hall though