bcb1213 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, MD4L said: Comparing Sanchez to Hurts ends any cordial conversation. We’ve got nothing else to talk about. When the only argument presented was playoff wins, there's an equally stupid comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 This is typically where Jlash would come in and diffuse the situation with a funny gif about beefing, but I was hoping it would escalate more first. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blue said: Because he controls how much he bids and, as I said, that's a number that I don't think anybody in this league would think twice about matching. If you want an RFA, bid enough to at least make it a difficult decision. Getting that high of a pick with Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract? And not having to tie up 20% of your cap in a QB who takes a lot of hits in the hope you get a better return next offseason? I think most owners would think more than twice about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: When the only argument presented was playoff wins, there's an equally stupid comparison When the only argument presented was a vague "succeeds" with no definition of what that means, there's an an equally stupid comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, MWil23 said: This is typically where Jlash would come in and diffuse the situation with a funny gif about beefing, but I was hoping it would escalate more first. Aw, now I'm sad... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, MWil23 said: This is typically where Jlash would come in and diffuse the situation with a funny gif about beefing, but I was hoping it would escalate more first. You just did it with this post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: Getting that high of a pick with Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract? And not having to tie up 20% of your cap in a QB who takes a lot of hits in the hope you get a better return next offseason? I think most owners would think more than twice about it. Will Anderson and TJ Watt would be a fun edge duo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Ragnarok said: Getting that high of a pick with Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract? And not having to tie up 20% of your cap in a QB who takes a lot of hits in the hope you get a better return next offseason? I think most owners would think more than twice about it. Not a single owner in this league would think twice about it and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract proves my point. Scoundrel got a king's ransom for him in a trade despite having about as bad a rookie year as he could have had barring injury; what do you think Rack could get for him now? There is no more valuable asset in any sports league than a star quarterback. He will absolutely get a better return than a single pick for either of those players, and the smart move is to hold on to both, keep whichever one looks like the better long-term bet, and trade the other for a treasure trove of picks + players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Blue said: Not a single owner in this league would think twice about it and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract proves my point. Scoundrel got a king's ransom for him in a trade despite having about as bad a rookie year as he could have had barring injury; what do you think Rack could get for him now? There is no more valuable asset in any sports league than a star quarterback. He will absolutely get a better return than a single pick for either of those players, and the smart move is to hold on to both, keep whichever one looks like the better long-term bet, and trade the other for a treasure trove of picks + players. It's really all in what he's trying to accomplish Three more years of Lawrence less than 40k over the next three years total with an extra first round pick or pay hurts 40k a season now and trade Lawrence for more than just one pick. It's a which do you prefer situation for me, I'd take my chances with Lawrence at qb but I can't fault if you prefer the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Blue said: Not a single owner in this league would think twice about it and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Trevor Lawrence on a rookie contract proves my point. Scoundrel got a king's ransom for him in a trade despite having about as bad a rookie year as he could have had barring injury; what do you think Rack could get for him now? There is no more valuable asset in any sports league than a star quarterback. He will absolutely get a better return than a single pick for either of those players, and the smart move is to hold on to both, keep whichever one looks like the better long-term bet, and trade the other for a treasure trove of picks + players. I'm a single owner in this league and I'd think more than twice about it. In fact, it seems like most owners here would think twice about it. Scoundrel got a lot for the best QB prospect since Luck who had to deal with arguably the worst HC in NFL history his rookie year. And yes, in a perfect world, that is the smart play. You're also assuming both QBs will have their value grow, stay healthy, not regress, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: It's really all in what he's trying to accomplish Three more years of Lawrence less than 40k over the next three years total with an extra first round pick or pay hurts 40k a season now and trade Lawrence for more than just one pick. It's a which do you prefer situation for me, I'd take my chances with Lawrence at qb but I can't fault if you prefer the other 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: I'm a single owner in this league and I'd think more than twice about it. In fact, it seems like most owners here would think twice about it. Scoundrel got a lot for the best QB prospect since Luck who had to deal with arguably the worst HC in NFL history his rookie year. And yes, in a perfect world, that is the smart play. You're also assuming both QBs will have their value grow, stay healthy, not regress, etc. No, neither of you would. And you will both prove me right every year you have an expensive top-tier quarterback on your roster and don't spend a high pick on a QB prospect. If you're worried one or the other will get hurt or regress, that's just more reason to keep both. Lawrence on a rookie contract is a luxury that allows him to maximize his return. Their value doesn't need to grow; it's already more than the absolute pittance losing a franchise QB for a single first-round pick would be. Worrying that one or the other will get hurt or regress isn't unique to the quarterback position and isn't something any of us can predict or control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Blue said: No, neither of you would. And you will both prove me right every year you have an expensive top-tier quarterback on your roster and don't spend a high pick on a QB prospect. If you're worried one or the other will get hurt or regress, that's just more reason to keep both. Lawrence on a rookie contract is a luxury that allows him to maximize his return. Their value doesn't need to grow; it's already more than the absolute pittance losing a franchise QB for a single first-round pick would be. Worrying that one or the other will get hurt or regress isn't unique to the quarterback position and isn't something any of us can predict or control. Considering he got Jalen as a toss in to a trade, that's a terrible reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Ragnarok said: Considering he got Jalen as a toss in to a trade, that's a terrible reasoning. What are you talking about? How he acquired Hurts is utterly irrelevant to whether he keeps both him and Lawrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Blue said: What are you talking about? How he acquired Hurts is utterly irrelevant to whether he keeps both him and Lawrence. You're the one using some god-awful justification to try to say bcb and I are lying right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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