diamondbull424 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, INbengalfan said: Has he signed the tag? If not, you couldn't be more wrong. If he doesn’t sign the tag the team wouldn’t need to fine him because we wouldn’t owe him tag money, so your comment makes no sense. 47 minutes ago, INbengalfan said: Do you mean backup to a Pro Bowl QB? Yes. Do you mean a Pro Bowl QB in the same veinas Andy Dalton was here (like 7th alternate after everyone else was either still playing or opted out with "injuries? OK, if it helps push the narrative. The fact that you took that sarcasm serious when Huntley being a pro bowl QB has been a running joke for some time now. Point is that if Lamar doesn’t play is a pointless question. If he doesn’t play then he doesn’t play. The team decided to take that chance when they didn’t give him the guarantees he asked for, that’s the absolute worst case scenario that could happen. He doesn’t play and no team provides suitable compensation then that’s the scenario that hat goes down. If Lamar decides to go that route, more power to him for being so stubborn that he’d be willing to turn down 30+ million at minimum, not considering the deal on the table that would pay far more. And if the ravens go that route then more power to them for being so stubborn with regard to a guaranteed contract and setting that precedent for the league that they would be willing to torpedo their season when they have a competitive window that they could be taking advantage of instead. Would be a result similarly stupid by both parties. Edited March 21, 2023 by diamondbull424 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bullet Club said: Except at the end of the season...when he won't show up at all. He just did the "team player" thing by playing on the 4th year without a new contract and on the 5th year team option without a new contract. 7 hours ago, whodatOL said: Perhaps this has been discussed here before, but is the following scenario possible/permitted? For example, the Colts trade their #4 pick this year to a team at the end of the first round for this year's first rounder and a first rounder next year. The trade would clearly favour the team at the end of the first round, as the 2024 pick should likely be a late first rounder as well. They would then give up the two picks from the trade for Lamar and thus end up keeping their first round pick next year. Is that possible? So there are three ways a team can acquire Lamar this season. Lamar signs an offer sheet with another team and the Ravens do not match - The compensation is exactly two first-round picks and both must belong to the team signing Lamar or be better if the pick originally belonged to another team. In the scenario of the Colts acquiring Lamar through an offer sheet signing, if the Colts own #4 and trade down to say #32, they couldn't use #32. Without a first round pick this season, they would have to wait until 2 days before the draft to sign him. At 2 days prior, the team could then use picks in the following two drafts. If the Colts own #4 and traded up with later picks for #32, they would have still have to compensate the Ravens with the #4 pick. If the Colts somehow acquired a top 3 pick and held onto the #4 pick, they would still be required to send #4 in compensation. If the Colts trade up from #4 into the top 3, they would have to give up the top 3 selection. The Ravens work out a sign-and-trade with the Colts - The compensation cannot exceed what the Ravens tagged him for, therefore the Ravens cannot get back more than two first-round picks. There is no language that says it has to be their picks in this scenario. No other player's Player Contracts can be included in the deal. Lamar and the NFLPA must approve of any trade during the signing period. The Ravens rescind the tag and Lamar becomes a free agent - Highly improbably this ever happens. Edited March 21, 2023 by typecast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, typecast said: He just did the "team player" thing by playing on the 4th year without a new contract and on the 5th year team option without a new contract. no chance you're trying to spin anything that's happened so far as Lamar being a "team player" lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said: no chance you're trying to spin anything that's happened so far as Lamar being a "team player" lol no chance you're acting like players aren't commended for being a "team player" for playing on the final year of a contract knowing they should have already been extended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp0k2 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, typecast said: no chance you're acting like players aren't commended for being a "team player" for playing on the final year of a contract knowing they should have already been extended. Have...have you not paid any attention at all to the contract negotiations between Lamar and the Ravens the past few years? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, typecast said: no chance you're acting like players aren't commended for being a "team player" for playing on the final year of a contract knowing they should have already been extended. They tried to extend him, he turned it down and wasn't willing to negotiate Edited March 21, 2023 by adamq 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, adamq said: They tried to extend him, he turned it down and wasn't willing to negotiate Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, typecast said: no chance you're acting like players aren't commended for being a "team player" for playing on the final year of a contract knowing they should have already been extended. Go on, please tell us why Lamar hasn't been extended yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: If he doesn’t sign the tag the team wouldn’t need to fine him because we wouldn’t owe him tag money, so your comment makes no sense. I was responding to the comment that someone made saying the ravens would start fining him blah blah blah. That made no sense, not my comment, which was pointing out the hole in that reasoning. 2 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: The fact that you took that sarcasm serious when Huntley being a pro bowl QB has been a running joke for some time now. I dunno. I thought my response was equally sarcastic as yours. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 hours ago, typecast said: no chance you're acting like players aren't commended for being a "team player" for playing on the final year of a contract knowing they should have already been extended. A real team player would've tried to get the extension out of the way early on so the team could commit to building around him, extend other guys, and bring in more talent. Lamar is basically holding the Ravens hostage at this point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 hours ago, INbengalfan said: Has he signed the tag? If not, you couldn't be more wrong. 3 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Not unless he signs the tag. He won’t lose money until Week 1. I was responding to a scenario where Lamar signed an offer sheet from another team and then the Ravens matched. Then Ravens could fine and suspend if he's a no show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 What happens if he never signs the tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: I was responding to a scenario where Lamar signed an offer sheet from another team and then the Ravens matched. Then Ravens could fine and suspend if he's a no show. Pulls a Trent Williams, Jalen Ramsey, Antonio Brown, etc. The path to getting the year eligibility without actually playing has already been forged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, NYRaider said: What happens if he never signs the tag? He shows up wk 11 of the season, collects $11M for the remainder and secures his FA status for 2024! Please play that game, please!!!!! Edited March 22, 2023 by Nabbs4u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Nabbs4u said: He shows out wk 11 of the season, collects $11M and secures his FA status. Please play that game, please!!!!! They can't tag him again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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