Who's Catching Passes from Jordan Love?

[skibrett15]

1 minute ago, packfanfb said:

Losing Reed and Lowry means losing a lot of snaps. Yes, Wyatt and Slaton will play more but you can't have 3 viable DL for a 17-game season. That unit needs help. 

Losing reed and replacing with a first round draft pick, losing Lowry, who was just a snap eater, to be replaced by some combination of late rounders street free agents, Slaton, and Ford.  Slaton and Ford replaced by the next Slaton and ford.  I really doubt we add anyone of significance to our DL room unless they are an impact 3T pass rusher via the draft.

[vegas492]

13 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

Losing reed and replacing with a first round draft pick, losing Lowry, who was just a snap eater, to be replaced by some combination of late rounders street free agents, Slaton, and Ford.  Slaton and Ford replaced by the next Slaton and ford.  I really doubt we add anyone of significance to our DL room unless they are an impact 3T pass rusher via the draft.

Every team has JAGS on the DL to eat snaps, right?  Why can't our JAGS be Slaton, Slayton and Ford?  Our two real DL's are Clark and Wyatt.  I mean, did I miss something and Slayton and Ford are somehow gone from us?  I really can't remember.

Sure we can draft another one when value meets the pick, but that shouldn't be a terrible 5 to start with.

[skibrett15]

1 minute ago, vegas492 said:

Every team has JAGS on the DL to eat snaps, right?  Why can't our JAGS be Slaton, Slayton and Ford?  Our two real DL's are Clark and Wyatt.  I mean, did I miss something and Slayton and Ford are somehow gone from us?  I really can't remember.

Sure we can draft another one when value meets the pick, but that shouldn't be a terrible 5 to start with.

100% what I'm saying - no real addition needed.  Depth or be opportunistic with a pass rushing DL if there's excellent value.  Not a need.

[LacyIsGood]

Cedric Tillman, the other Tennessee WR is definitely a guy I think the Packers would like.  Late 2nd

[vegas492]

7 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

100% what I'm saying - no real addition needed.  Depth or be opportunistic with a pass rushing DL if there's excellent value.  Not a need.

Yeah, I get it.  Do you KNOW if we do still have the rights to Slayton and Ford?  I swear we do.  But I'm not certain.  

I looked it up on the GB Packers website and they do list Ford and Slayton on the roster.....

[ThatJerkDave]

So, since 2002, the last year we took a WR in the first round:

2002 - Pick 20- Javon Walker.

2003 - Pick 29 - Nick Barnett.  Again, Sherman doesn't have a second round pick.  WRs:  Taylor Jacobs, Bethel Johnson, Anquan Bolden, Tyrone Calico, Kelley Johnson, Nate Burleson, Kevin Curtis.  Pick 79 Kenny Peterson.

2004 - Pick 25 - Ahmad Carroll.  True to form, Sherman doesn't have a second round pick...  WRs:  Michael Jenkins, Rashaun Woods, Devery Henderson, Darius Watts, Keary Colbert.  Pick 70 Joey Thomas.

2005 - Pick 24 - Aaron Rodgers.  WRs:  Roddy White, Reggie Brown, Mark Bradley.  Pick 51 Nick Collins.

2006 - Pick 5 - AJ Hawk.  WRs:  Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss.  Pick 47 Daryn Colledge.

2007 - Pick 16 - Justin Harrell.  WRs:  Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Anthony Gonzalez, Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith (NYG).  Pick 63 Brandon Jackson.

2008 - Pick 36 -  Jordy Nelson.

2009 - Pick 9 - BJ Raji.  WRs:  Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin.  Pick 26 - Clay Matthews.

2010 - Pick 23 - Bryan Bulaga.  WRs:  Dez Bryant, Dexter McCluster, Arrelious Benn. Pick 56 - Mike Neal.

2011 - Pick 32 - Derrick Sherrod.  WRs:  Titus Young, Torrey Smith, Greg Little.  Pick 64 - Randall Cobb.

2012 - Pick 28 - Nick Perry.  WRs:  AJ Jenkins, Brian Quick, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey.  Pick 51 - Jerrell Worthy.

2013 - Pick 26 - Datone Jones.  WRs:  DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, Aaron Dobson.  Pick 61 - Eddie Lacy.

2014 - Pick 21 - HaSean Clinton-Dix.  WRs:  Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Paul Richardson.  Pick 53 - Davante Adams.

2015 - Pick 30 - Damarious Randall.  WRs:  Devin Smith, Dorial Green-Beckham, Devin Funchess (TE).  Pick 62 - Quentin Rollins.

2016 - Pick 27 - Kenny Clark.  WRs:  Sterling Shepherd, Michael Thomas.  Pick 48 - Jason Spriggs.

2017 - Pick 33 - Kevin King.  There were no WRs taken between the pick traded by the Packers and the selection of King.

2018 - Pick 18 - Jaire Alexander.  WRs:  DJ Moore, Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, Dante Pettis.  Pick 45 - Josh Jackson.

2019 - Pick 12 - Rashan Gary.  WRs:  None.  Pick 21 - Darnell Savage.  WRs:  Marquise Brown, N'Keal Harry, Deebo Samuel.  Pick 44 - Elgton Jenkins.

2020 - Pick 26 - Jordan Love.  WRs:  Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault, KJ Hamler, Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson, Denzel Mims.  Pick 62 - AJ Dillon.

2021 - Pick 29 - Eric Stokes.  WRs:  Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, D'Wayne Eskridge, Tutu Atwell, Terrace Marshall.  Pick 62 - Josh Myers.

2022 - Pick 22 - Quay Walker.  WRs: None.  Pick - 28 Devonte Wyatt.  WRs: None.  Pick 34 - Christian Watson.

 

 

Dave's conclusions:

-2002 was a really good draft.  There were a lot of good players.

-Aside from busts like Harrell and Carroll, I don't think there have been a lot of times where we missed out on a WR in the first.  I don't have the time, or patience to argue whether or not a guy like Devery Henderson was SO much better than Ahmad Carroll.  Who cares?

-Datone Jones over Hopkins, Patterson, or Woods, in 2013, sure does seem like a missed opportunity.  That was the Rodgers collarbone season, and we had Jordy, Cobb, Jones, Boykin, and 5 games of Finley.  And between Mike Neal, Nick Perry and Datone Jones, we had pretty much three of the same guy.  

-And again we can go back to Love vs Higgins.  Perhaps Higgins puts the 21 or 22 team over the top? I don't know.  But I do seem to recall that both Shenault and Claypool were more popular than Higgins around these parts.  

-But we also must be aware that hindsight drafting takes away:  Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins, Greg Jennings, Casey Hayward, probably Jordy Nelson and Eddie Lacy, and I am sure others.  

 

[gopackgo972]

26 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said:

So, since 2002, the last year we took a WR in the first round:

2002 - Pick 20- Javon Walker.

2003 - Pick 29 - Nick Barnett.  Again, Sherman doesn't have a second round pick.  WRs:  Taylor Jacobs, Bethel Johnson, Anquan Bolden, Tyrone Calico, Kelley Johnson, Nate Burleson, Kevin Curtis.  Pick 79 Kenny Peterson.

2004 - Pick 25 - Ahmad Carroll.  True to form, Sherman doesn't have a second round pick...  WRs:  Michael Jenkins, Rashaun Woods, Devery Henderson, Darius Watts, Keary Colbert.  Pick 70 Joey Thomas.

2005 - Pick 24 - Aaron Rodgers.  WRs:  Roddy White, Reggie Brown, Mark Bradley.  Pick 51 Nick Collins.

2006 - Pick 5 - AJ Hawk.  WRs:  Santonio Holmes, Chad Jackson, Sinorice Moss.  Pick 47 Daryn Colledge.

2007 - Pick 16 - Justin Harrell.  WRs:  Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Anthony Gonzalez, Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith (NYG).  Pick 63 Brandon Jackson.

2008 - Pick 36 -  Jordy Nelson.

2009 - Pick 9 - BJ Raji.  WRs:  Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin.  Pick 26 - Clay Matthews.

2010 - Pick 23 - Bryan Bulaga.  WRs:  Dez Bryant, Dexter McCluster, Arrelious Benn. Pick 56 - Mike Neal.

2011 - Pick 32 - Derrick Sherrod.  WRs:  Titus Young, Torrey Smith, Greg Little.  Pick 64 - Randall Cobb.

2012 - Pick 28 - Nick Perry.  WRs:  AJ Jenkins, Brian Quick, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey.  Pick 51 - Jerrell Worthy.

2013 - Pick 26 - Datone Jones.  WRs:  DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, Aaron Dobson.  Pick 61 - Eddie Lacy.

2014 - Pick 21 - HaSean Clinton-Dix.  WRs:  Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee, Jordan Matthews, Paul Richardson.  Pick 53 - Davante Adams.

2015 - Pick 30 - Damarious Randall.  WRs:  Devin Smith, Dorial Green-Beckham, Devin Funchess (TE).  Pick 62 - Quentin Rollins.

2016 - Pick 27 - Kenny Clark.  WRs:  Sterling Shepherd, Michael Thomas.  Pick 48 - Jason Spriggs.

2017 - Pick 33 - Kevin King.  There were no WRs taken between the pick traded by the Packers and the selection of King.

2018 - Pick 18 - Jaire Alexander.  WRs:  DJ Moore, Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, Dante Pettis.  Pick 45 - Josh Jackson.

2019 - Pick 12 - Rashan Gary.  WRs:  None.  Pick 21 - Darnell Savage.  WRs:  Marquise Brown, N'Keal Harry, Deebo Samuel.  Pick 44 - Elgton Jenkins.

2020 - Pick 26 - Jordan Love.  WRs:  Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault, KJ Hamler, Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson, Denzel Mims.  Pick 62 - AJ Dillon.

2021 - Pick 29 - Eric Stokes.  WRs:  Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, D'Wayne Eskridge, Tutu Atwell, Terrace Marshall.  Pick 62 - Josh Myers.

2022 - Pick 22 - Quay Walker.  WRs: None.  Pick - 28 Devonte Wyatt.  WRs: None.  Pick 34 - Christian Watson.

 

 

Dave's conclusions:

-2002 was a really good draft.  There were a lot of good players.

-Aside from busts like Harrell and Carroll, I don't think there have been a lot of times where we missed out on a WR in the first.  I don't have the time, or patience to argue whether or not a guy like Devery Henderson was SO much better than Ahmad Carroll.  Who cares?

-Datone Jones over Hopkins, Patterson, or Woods, in 2013, sure does seem like a missed opportunity.  That was the Rodgers collarbone season, and we had Jordy, Cobb, Jones, Boykin, and 5 games of Finley.  And between Mike Neal, Nick Perry and Datone Jones, we had pretty much three of the same guy.  

-And again we can go back to Love vs Higgins.  Perhaps Higgins puts the 21 or 22 team over the top? I don't know.  But I do seem to recall that both Shenault and Claypool were more popular than Higgins around these parts.  

-But we also must be aware that hindsight drafting takes away:  Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins, Greg Jennings, Casey Hayward, probably Jordy Nelson and Eddie Lacy, and I am sure others.  

 

If we had Higgins right now we probably wouldn’t have Watson. I love Higgins, he’s a WR1 on every team in the league but I think Watson has a higher ceiling because of his game breaking speed. 

[craig]

Not prioritized on adding some vet receiver.  

1. Don't have cap to add a good one.  And no ring-chasers are dying to sign a low-$$ deal in rebuilding Green Bay.  
2. Rather just collect as much young talent as we can, and all grow together. 
3. No point in having some JAG vet.  Who'll be gone by the time we compete.  And who will steal snaps from young guys who might become part of the next contending GB team.  
4. I'd rather go with all young guys.  Just let Love grow with young guys, and figure out which are worth keeping into the next contending team, and which are not.  

[Packerraymond]

Just now, craig said:

Not prioritized on adding some vet receiver.  

 

1. No point in having some JAG vet.  Who'll be gone by the time we compete.  And who will steal snaps from young guys who might become part of the next contending GB team.  
2. I'd rather go with all young guys.  Just let Love grow with young guys, and figure out which are worth keeping into the next contending team, and which are not.  

You've never been in a locker room have  you?

[craig]

I also fully appreciate that we have a very short supply of high draft picks, regardless of what we might add in a rodgers trade.  Yes, I'd totally love to add a good high-round WR and a good high-round-worthy TE.  

But yeah, with DL and pass-rush and safety and corner and OL, we have an overwhelming number of position groups that need help.  With only one pick per round, even with a Rodgers trade the supply of high-round picks will undersupply the demand to varying extent. 

[ThatJerkDave]

48 minutes ago, gopackgo972 said:

If we had Higgins right now we probably wouldn’t have Watson. I love Higgins, he’s a WR1 on every team in the league but I think Watson has a higher ceiling because of his game breaking speed. 

There is an absolute butterfly effect to any pick being made.  I am more addressing that "The Packers won't draft WRs in the first round." I don't know that there have been too many instances in the last 20 years where picking a WR in the first round was the best option.  There have been a couple of times where a WR taken instead of our first rounder possibly gives us a better team, either in the rookie year or a couple of seasons down the road.  But in the majority of these cases, we took a good player, or the trade off wouldn't have been a drastic difference.  

 

I would argue that the Packers have been mostly a good drafting team since say 2000.  And with only a few exceptions have we passed on a good WR between our first and second round picks.  I am mostly pointing out that the value for a first round WR, just wasn't there for the Packers draft slot during this time period, and hindsight even shows that to be the case.  

[ThatJerkDave]

14 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

You've never been in a locker room have  you?

Ok, next season I am giving you Watson, Doubs, Toure, Draft Pick X, and a vet.  You get 2 million dollars for one year or 5 over two.  Who is your vet?  Is he contributing or just playing den mother?

[Packerraymond]

2 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said:

Ok, next season I am giving you Watson, Doubs, Toure, Draft Pick X, and a vet.  You get 2 million dollars for one year or 5 over two.  Who is your vet?  Is he contributing or just playing den mother?

Marvin Jones, he's playing WR4 with everyone healthy.

[vegas492]

19 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Marvin Jones, he's playing WR4 with everyone healthy.

He's kindda perfect in that scenario.  All of it.    Locker room.  Film.  On field.  Cost.   ....etc.

[packfanfb]

25 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Marvin Jones, he's playing WR4 with everyone healthy.

Instantly your best contested catch guy on the team btw.