2018 Draft Prospects

[Sugashane]

how does everyone like Hubbard? I like how stout he is against the run and the motor, I just don't know if he will ever be a consistent threat on 3rd down. He is already a technician, but I just don't know if he is worth more than a late first. I could really be behind him as a second rounder, but unless we traded back to the Pats or someone in the final 5 I just couldn't imagine drafting him.

[dll2000]

1 minute ago, Sugashane said:

It's all good. I agree with you though. these tests are just tools and the most important thing is to be a good football player.

 

To me the tests might have something jump at you and make you go back and look at a player, or to verify what you already knew (like Landry's crazy burst).

Yes.  You can pause a video and he has often taken a step and a 1/2 or 2 steps before an OT has taken one kick slide.

At his peak he is in your ear and bending to center by time you take a breath which sucks (from OL perspective).

Only faster/quicker I have seen off ball in college are Beasley and Von Miller.  Miller was uniquely talented.  He compares more with Beasley as a prospect, but I think he is naturally bigger and stronger than Beasley with better upside.  

 

 

 

[WindyCity]

We are desperate at OLB that will impact that draft as much as you don’t want need to dictate too much. 

[dll2000]

3 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

how does everyone like Hubbard? I like how stout he is against the run and the motor, I just don't know if he will ever be a consistent threat on 3rd down. He is already a technician, but I just don't know if he is worth more than a late first. I could really be behind him as a second rounder, but unless we traded back to the Pats or someone in the final 5 I just couldn't imagine drafting him.

I haven't watched him.  He kinda falls into late first round/early second according to most.  Not in our strike zone without movement.

Consensus or conventional wisdom is it goes:

Chubb, Davenport, Landry/Key, then Hubbard

Chubb by most accounts should be gone.  

I think Davenport is more a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB (cuz he doesn't move well in lateral pursuit or in space, if I remember correctly he does have a great closing burst however). I like Landry better, because he is more a natural OLB.   Bears may think Davenport will be just fine at OLB and like him better.  I don't think they take Key because of what's between his ears.  

So I think the focus and target amongst edge players early is Landry.  If they trade Hubbard could become a thing.  Don't know much about him.

 

 

 

[beardown3231]

30 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

how does everyone like Hubbard? I like how stout he is against the run and the motor, I just don't know if he will ever be a consistent threat on 3rd down. He is already a technician, but I just don't know if he is worth more than a late first. I could really be behind him as a second rounder, but unless we traded back to the Pats or someone in the final 5 I just couldn't imagine drafting him.

Reminds me of TJ Watt

[Sugashane]

3 hours ago, dll2000 said:

I haven't watched him.  He kinda falls into late first round/early second according to most.  Not in our strike zone without movement.

Consensus or conventional wisdom is it goes:

Chubb, Davenport, Landry/Key, then Hubbard

Chubb by most accounts should be gone.  

I think Davenport is more a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB (cuz he doesn't move well in lateral pursuit or in space, if I remember correctly he does have a great closing burst however). I like Landry better, because he is more a natural OLB.   Bears may think Davenport will be just fine at OLB and like him better.  I don't think they take Key because of what's between his ears.  

So I think the focus and target amongst edge players early is Landry.  If they trade Hubbard could become a thing.  Don't know much about him.

 

That's kind of where I put him at, he might get picked just before our 2nd rounder, but nowhere near our 1st. Would take a big trade back to have him be our value in a pick. I'm assuming Chubb is gone, if not I tweet "Welcome to the Bears Chubb" as soon as the 7th pick is announced.

 

Davenport doesn't worry me too much as McPhee was hellish against the run and pass when healthy, and Davenport is miles ahead of him athletically. To me it just means he might not have versatility to drop back, and will overrun a few sacks as he doesn't have the bend. But if he can consistently get pressure, IDC how he does it.

 

3 hours ago, beardown3231 said:

Reminds me of TJ Watt

I like the comparison when comes to the run game, I still put Watt higher as a passrusher but that is a good one. Both are damn stout vs the run.

[AZBearsFan]

3 hours ago, WindyCity said:

We are desperate at OLB that will impact that draft as much as you don’t want need to dictate too much. 

I think that was really dictated to us by the market though, at least this year specifically. There was nothing of consequence available in FA other than reclamation projects, and we signed one of those in Lynch. With the moves we’ve made to date at the position in re-signing Acho and adding Lynch we have really set ourselves up to take Landry/Davenport in round 1 knowing we’re ok on 1st and 2nd down and they can grow into being every down players while filling a pass rush specialist role at the outset if need be. 

I really like how Landry looks in space for a guy who hasn’t really been asked to do much of that. He looked really fluid in the field drills at the combine laterally and in a back pedal which I didn’t expect. 

I’m not concerned with draft day grades on it - I’d take Landry at 8 without any sweat. Or Davenport tbh. Aldon Smith was a draft day reach too, but in reality BPA is subjective and team specific. Landry won’t be a top 10 prospect for every team same as Aldon Smith almostbsurely wasn’t. I think Landry’s probably a bit small to be a 4-3 DE. But for OUR team I think he absolutely is a top 10 prospect. I think his skill set with how he would be used here is an excellent fit and frankly a better fit here than it would be elsewhere. His upside is HUGE in Fangio’s scheme. I think a player with his skill set impacts protection schemes right away. I think a player with his skill set specifically across from Floyd on passing downs puts a ton of pressure on the opposing OL and QB, that pressure leads to takeaways and that takeaways change the outcomes of games. 

[G08]

@AZBearsFan got me like:

[G08]

Here's a good read/breakdown on Landry:

https://www.cover1.net/scouting-report-edge-harold-landry-boston-college/

[Sugashane]

3 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

I think that was really dictated to us by the market though, at least this year specifically. There was nothing of consequence available in FA other than reclamation projects, and we signed one of those in Lynch. With the moves we’ve made to date at the position in re-signing Acho and adding Lynch we have really set ourselves up to take Landry/Davenport in round 1 knowing we’re ok on 1st and 2nd down and they can grow into being every down players while filling a pass rush specialist role at the outset if need be. 

I really like how Landry looks in space for a guy who hasn’t really been asked to do much of that. He looked really fluid in the field drills at the combine laterally and in a back pedal which I didn’t expect. 

I’m not concerned with draft day grades on it - I’d take Landry at 8 without any sweat. Or Davenport tbh. Aldon Smith was a draft day reach too, but in reality BPA is subjective and team specific. Landry won’t be a top 10 prospect for every team same as Aldon Smith almostbsurely wasn’t. I think Landry’s probably a bit small to be a 4-3 DE. But for OUR team I think he absolutely is a top 10 prospect. I think his skill set with how he would be used here is an excellent fit and frankly a better fit here than it would be elsewhere. His upside is HUGE in Fangio’s scheme. I think a player with his skill set impacts protection schemes right away. I think a player with his skill set specifically across from Floyd on passing downs puts a ton of pressure on the opposing OL and QB, that pressure leads to takeaways and that takeaways change the outcomes of games. 

 

That burst is fantastic. The dummies give a level of depth to see just how sharp his bends are and how quick his burst is. Much better to get an idea than just seeing him rush vs air IMO.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Sugashane

[IronMike84]

16 hours ago, Sugashane said:

how does everyone like Hubbard? I like how stout he is against the run and the motor, I just don't know if he will ever be a consistent threat on 3rd down. He is already a technician, but I just don't know if he is worth more than a late first. I could really be behind him as a second rounder, but unless we traded back to the Pats or someone in the final 5 I just couldn't imagine drafting him.

Hubbard is a super hard worker but there’s zero “twitch” to his game. I think he could start for a 4-3 base team but I don’t think he has the freak athleticism to be really good pass rusher.

I got bored watching him. He never gave up on plays but he was never wowing me athletically either.

[G08]

Sounds like a driven kid, too. I wouldn't hate him at pick 8 and someone like Billy Price at #39

[G08]

Kevin Fishbain:

One scout told me that Harold Landry is a good player, but more of a mid-to-late first-round pick. An edge rusher who could make more sense at No. 8 would be UTSA’s Marcus Davenport. If the Bears target an edge rusher early, they may prefer a bigger outside linebacker to set the edge against the run to better complement Leonard Floyd’s speed.

[Nads786]

10 minutes ago, G08 said:

Kevin Fishbain:

One scout told me that Harold Landry is a good player, but more of a mid-to-late first-round pick. An edge rusher who could make more sense at No. 8 would be UTSA’s Marcus Davenport. If the Bears target an edge rusher early, they may prefer a bigger outside linebacker to set the edge against the run to better complement Leonard Floyd’s speed.

Floyd is great against the run so that point is irrelevant. We need someone who can rush the passer as our number 1 need. 

[WindyCity]

10 minutes ago, G08 said:

Sounds like a driven kid, too. I wouldn't hate him at pick 8 and someone like Billy Price at #39

I think one thing that is overlooked is that both Pace and Nagy come from teams that routinely convert OTs to OG and Cs. I would not be shocked if we drafted multiple college OTs and made them OGs.

KCs entire starting interior played OT in college.

NO has done it with great success with Evans, Nicks and Peat.

The Bears have done it twice with Whitehair and Morgan